History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011

[Peregrine]

For people who argue that thauma and archer shouldn't be touched until after the overhaul, I don't think you can tolerate that much of a reduction in power, at the exact time you start really wanting it.

For now, you're comfortable being 30% better than every other meleer and not getting hit with stomp on Uraeus and Great Buffalo. You don't care. We don't care. You're allowed to be overpowered.

Then square enix simultaneously releases hard raids with difficult bosses AND destroys the two overpowered jobs' status. Thus, the second you start getting hyped that your thaumaturge or archer will be lavished attention on is the second....it no longer will be.

Oh the rage that will come then. The thought that you were SO close to taking 6 archers to a dragon and beating it in record time will kill you.

Best remove that hope now, and let archers and thaumaturges get used to being like the rest of the jobs in terms of "use" and "powerf."

Right now there are only three "useful" jobs in FFXIV. Gladiator, archer, and thaumaturge. Everyone else is a waste of a party slot in difficult fights.

Sorry, that's just a reality that no matter how much you all try to insist won't bear out, WILL when difficult content hits.

It's so obvious that you all should know better if you don't think it'll happen. My guess is that a lot of you DO know that it'll happen, and you'd LOVE to be doted on as one of those three jobs. You LOVED how FFXI made you feel in 2004.

Because you weren't a monk.

[Verecund]

42 pages in 2 days............

[Shampooo]

heee haa heeee haaaa heee haaaa

[Shiyo]

I can't believe this thread is still alive, and I can't believe he's still raging in every single post lol

[Peregrine]

Your solution simply isn't viable. You have lost the same argument sever times in this thread. Every time you fall back on personal attacks and straw man. Give it a rest already.

It's your excuses that have already been deemed inadequate to keep archer as it is. Every one of them. Old. I only attack you because you didn't learn the first time, and I don't think you deserve to have history repeat itself in order for you to remediate. I only take the tone becaues your ideas are actually a threat to the health of the game.

[Shampooo]

the level of the mob is just a number, the fact is, what you consider an even match is probably 5 levels higher than you, i wouldnt want them to change this because you know how much exp a monster the same level as you gives? like uhhhh 60 exp? maybe 80? you gonna solo your way to 80k exp on that?
Also ffxis system was a lie, for 90% of the game even match meant certain death, decent challenge meant likely death, and easy prey was 50 50. a few jobs could do even matches, after they buffed jobs signifigantly, and at the end of the day that knock out drag out fight was worth 100 exp, wtf.

basically they planned for you to fight mobs higher than you, you were never supposed to see the level so it wasnt really relevant, mobs that conned even match (yellow) were in fact like 6 levels higher than you probably. Its more important for exp determination than you versus them, that the difference in level be as it is.

thats what we had to do back in the day before they increased the SP so much.....and people still want more of an SP increase and fatigue gone lol =/

[Xzen]

It's your excuses that have already been deemed inadequate to keep archer as it is. Every one of them. Old. I only attack you because you didn't learn the first time, and I don't think you deserve to have history repeat itself in order for you to remediate. I only take the tone becaues your ideas are actually a threat to the health of the game.

I never made any excuses. All you're doing is crying nerf instead of putting forward a viable solution.

[Peregrine]

I can't believe this thread is still alive, and I can't believe he's still raging in every single post lol

This problem caused years of horrible design and mechanics in FFXI. It caused the best players to quit that game. I'm still angry you, and they, let that happen. I will never not be angry you let that happen.

[Peregrine]

I never made any excuses. All you're doing is crying nerf instead of putting forward a viable solution.

Hahaha oh really.
The viable solution is to cut their damage by 30% relative damage, or 6% absolute party contribution damage. I already have proposed the nerf. You just didn't understand it.

Truth is I already proposed a viable solution. You're just too biased, subjected, and affected to consider it "viable."

None of your ideas are viable. They've all been shot down. Not even by me. Well I should clarify that I shot them down AGAIN. You were already addressed years ago, at the last time we had this discussion. And you lost that.

[Shampooo]

This problem caused years of horrible design and mechanics in FFXI. It caused the best players to quit that game. I'm still angry you, and they, let that happen. I will never not be angry you let that happen.

damn shiyo, why'd u let that happen? did anyone find peregrines solution other than just NERF. i dont wanna sort through 42 pages of this crap