Summoner Thoughts

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@keeve: every thread I see you post, you fanatically defend SMN in its current form. May I ask you; are you hired by SE themselves? :P
Also SMN needs to be reworked:

-the pets look like something a part-time intern did during his break, not only are they just slighty bigger than vanity pets, but they look utter ****. (And don't give me that "they are essence" ****, no where does that dictate that they have to look pathetic.
-Our dmg takes way to long to catch up, in endgame raids, I'M always in the lower end when it comes to dmg, by a big margin. The AOE range on Bane and Enkindle is stupid small. My 300sec OMFGoodness ulti pet ability literally gets outshined by a Flare on a 2.5gcd.... Not only that, but the dmg is lower than Flare, even with Pet dmg buffs. I've experienced that ppl actually didn't want me in there raid grp, since my dmg was low. I don't even want to talk about my pet dmg.. its embarrassing.

[Kevee]

Are you serious? Assuming you're using Ifrit, commanding the pet to attack the tonberry adds still takes longer than a BLM due to Ifrit's travel time.

Are you? Are you familiar with BLM/THM at all? Do you know what UI is? Do you know how much that hinders doing any sort of real damage? Both BRD and DRG are better at more sustained adds, which is what TK is about. SMN is right behind them in sustained AoE DPS(SMN does more AoE DPS, but it can't sustain it like DRG/BRD due to Aetherflow stacks and MP concerns), with BLM being the "burst" AoE DPSer.

@keeve: every thread I see you post, you fanatically defend SMN in its current form. May I ask you; are you hired by SE themselves? :P

No, I just don't want the class to be buffed because of bad/sub-par players, and then have it be OP and nerfed back down.

Also SMN needs to be reworked:

-the pets look like something a part-time intern did during his break, not only are they just slighty bigger than vanity pets, but they look utter ****. (And don't give me that "they are essence" ****, no where does that dictate that they have to look pathetic.
-Our dmg takes way to long to catch up, in endgame raids, I'M always in the lower end when it comes to dmg, by a big margin. The AOE range on Bane and Enkindle is stupid small. My 300sec OMFGoodness ulti pet ability literally gets outshined by a Flare on a 2.5gcd.... Not only that, but the dmg is lower than Flare, even with Pet dmg buffs. I've experienced that ppl actually didn't want me in there raid grp, since my dmg was low. I don't even want to talk about my pet dmg.. its embarrassing.

-I literally like the way they are designed. The Garuda-Egi model, and effects, are one of the best in the game IMO. This is an opinion.

-It takes roughly 15-20s to "catch up" and then we are sustained at that DPS throughout, unlike other jobs. Especially with being ranged.

-Flare is not that good of an ability, and certainly isn't used in a single target rotation. We can use Enkindle for ST or AoE. People keep comparing it to Flare, where Flare is actually a pretty bad ability. Spamming Fire II is better for AoE until low MP, then use Flare.


-Pet damage is roughly ~30% of your player damage. I'm fine with this. I like the way the class is. That's why I picked it up, it closely resembles Engineer from WAR. I know a lot of people aren't fine with this, and that's their opinion. They want the pet to be the "main show."

Yeah, someone is going on my ignore list. Going on a tangent about sustained AoE when the issue discussed is burst dispatching of groups is a sure way to not waste my time.

Because, *GASP*, BLM can't always put out burst AoE, and if any of the mobs live for ~15-20 seconds we end up doing more AoE. That was why I went on the tangent of asking about BLM, and their rotations. You can't just continually AoE as a BLM.