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    Delitia's Avatar
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    Hyraltia Xanara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotek View Post
    No, Scholar heals are perfectly fine. What needs a buff is Leeches, because right now that's just a pointless knock off of Esuna, something which could easily have been given to Scholar in the same manner as Cleric Stance.
    So give scholars even more? No thanks. They already mathematically out class white mages in every way, not only that, they have a fairy to help outclass them even further. Also, lets not forget this IMPORTANT fact, as of now, white mage literally has 2-3 UNIQUE abilities to itself, every other ability we have can be cross classed by everyone and scholar included. Scholars do not need more, they are fine, it's a player issue with macro-ing the pet among other things such as using the shields to mitigate damage rather than heal reactively. Scholar's are PROACTIVE healers, white mages are REACTIVE healers, aka they heal only AFTER a target has taken damage or begin casting as they are about to be hit, scholars are the opposite, you can heal prior to the damage occurring and largely if not fully mitigate the damage and stop it from occurring (especially on a paladin who is decently geared).

    White mages already lost almost everything unique they have, currently they just have Regen, Esuna (secondary effect only, the main effect is the same in every situation I've seen), and Stronger AoE healing (which isn't really unique but i'm grasping at straws here, that's how bad it is). You guys got cleric's stance after all your complaining, now stop complaining and learn to play your class, PROACTIVELY and stop trying to play like a white mage and you'll realize you're fine, you don't need more.

    Edit: Forgot to add one thing, scholars have a million and one ways to keep their mp going forever, even through long and drawn out fights. White mages have shroud of saints regen (which then is using it to regen mp and not for it's main purpose of reducing aggro) and ethers, which as we all know, are pretty horrendous since their mp recovery limit is capped.
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    Last edited by Delitia; 09-01-2013 at 07:01 AM.

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    Sefiria Satara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delitia View Post
    now stop complaining and learn to play your class, PROACTIVELY and stop trying to play like a white mage and you'll realize you're fine, you don't need more.
    Did you miss the part where I'm not complaining about healing or something? I mean, I literally opened with "No, Scholar heals are perfectly fine". Or would you care to explain how Leeches can be used pro-actively instead of reactively? Since Scholar being pro-active seems to be the crux of your rantings, which is hilarious considering what my post focuses on.

    I was only offering suggestions on how Leeches could be different from the cheap Esuna knock-off it currently is, having it so Leeches provides a status effect which prevents 1 negative status effect from taking hold (so, making it exactly the same, but a pro-active spell) would actually be fine. Besides pet mechanics being out right broken on occasion (which other people have already voiced enough, so I wont repeat it), Leeches being a pathetic excuse for a Job Ability is really my only concern with Scholar right now (well, that and the inane Intelligence boost traits).

    Am I not allowed to offer suggestions on improving Scholar because some White Mages are butt hurt? Christ, not even a month and already the same Scholar verses White Mage crap from XI has found its way here...
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    Last edited by Sotek; 09-01-2013 at 07:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotek View Post
    I was only offering suggestions on how Leeches could be different from the cheap Esuna knock-off it currently is...
    Am I not allowed to off suggestions on improving Scholar...
    No, my issue is simply this, you suggested giving ESUNA to scholar, given your use of words that is all someone who read it carefully would be lead to believe ("Esuna, something which could easily have been given to Scholar in the same manner as Cleric Stance"). Cleric stance was just GIVEN to you guys (not altered or changed in any way to fit the class, like your "suggestions" would lead one to believe) for no real reason, you're support healers/support dps, nothing more. Stop trying to encroach on the "main healer" aspect that white mage has always and should always be. The dev even said it himself "a perfect party would consist of a white mage and a scholar" not one or the other, sure that's an issue now because only 4 man groups, but you're balanced around the fact you're a support, not a main role. Stop trying to make it a main role.

    As for the second part, the issue is, 99% of all "scholar improvement" posts turn into this "GIVE US THIS WHITE MAGE SKILL NAO OR WE WON'T STOP SPAMMING YOUR BOARD WITH USELESS THREADS." So, it wasn't really directed at you, just scholar whiners in general. Your class is fine, you don't need more, read above and my other post for reasons why you do not.

    Thank you, that is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delitia View Post
    ***WHM Rage Snip***
    Does it upset you that we can already main heal with no issue?
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Delitia View Post
    Also, lets not forget this IMPORTANT fact, as of now, white mage literally has 2-3 UNIQUE abilities to itself, every other ability we have can be cross classed by everyone and scholar included.

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    White mages already lost almost everything unique they have, currently they just have Regen, Esuna (secondary effect only, the main effect is the same in every situation I've seen), and Stronger AoE healing (which isn't really unique but i'm grasping at straws here, that's how bad it is). You guys got cleric's stance after all your complaining, now stop complaining and learn to play your class, PROACTIVELY and stop trying to play like a white mage and you'll realize you're fine, you don't need more.
    MRD, LNC, and ARC all have 5 cross-classable abilities. CNJ would have 6 (Aero, Cure, Protect, Raise, Stoneskin, Cleric Stance) but for some reason, SE implemented an arbitrary, unique restriction on Cleric Stance that prevents THM/ACN/SMN from using it (when they should be able to, based on the rules of the Armoury system).

    And WHM has plenty of unique abilities. Medica? Stone? Regen? Divine Seal? Fluid Aura? Shroud of Saints? Presence of Mind? Benediction?
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    Klo Kali
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Dan View Post
    MRD, LNC, and ARC all have 5 cross-classable abilities. CNJ would have 6 (Aero, Cure, Protect, Raise, Stoneskin, Cleric Stance) but for some reason, SE implemented an arbitrary, unique restriction on Cleric Stance that prevents THM/ACN/SMN from using it (when they should be able to, based on the rules of the Armoury system).

    And WHM has plenty of unique abilities. Medica? Stone? Regen? Divine Seal? Fluid Aura? Shroud of Saints? Presence of Mind? Benediction?
    Don't forget Holy
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    Lynx O'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Dan View Post
    MRD, LNC, and ARC all have 5 cross-classable abilities. CNJ would have 6 (Aero, Cure, Protect, Raise, Stoneskin, Cleric Stance) but for some reason, SE implemented an arbitrary, unique restriction on Cleric Stance that prevents THM/ACN/SMN from using it (when they should be able to, based on the rules of the Armoury system).

    And WHM has plenty of unique abilities. Medica? Stone? Regen? Divine Seal? Fluid Aura? Shroud of Saints? Presence of Mind? Benediction?
    Yeah, I have no idea why CS is not for SMR instead of SCH.
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