History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011

[Reika]

Why hasn't this thread been deleted yet.....

[Peregrine]

Why hasn't this thread been deleted yet.....

There's nothing wrong with the thread. Problems started when users stared throwing the word "butthurt" around.
Archer needs a nerf to spare it three years of painful class imbreeding and elitism. Simple enough, clear enough.

Everyone's flocking to archer right. On. Time.

[Isaaru]

Why hasn't this thread been deleted yet.....

Because Peregrine's ignorance is amusing.

[AlexiaKidd]

Like others have said Archer is only good for burst DMG so yeah stacking Multishot and Raging Strike is great at the start of a fight and because mobs are so weak most of the time half their HP bar will vanish and then people think that you are OP.

I did the crab NM the other day and on Archer I was doing about 20-30 DMG a hit so I switched to MRD and I was doing 100-120 a hit. Archer is a great class and I have loads of fun playing it but it is not because it is OP.

[Peregrine]

Because Peregrine's ignorance is amusing.

I'm the only one, save for one other person, who is not ignorant. You're the ignorant group. You've forgotten the history lesson already provided to you.

You are the hedge fund investors of 2013 who forget all too quickly.

Yup about 7 years is enough to make most people to revert to historic ignorance. Again, right on time.

[Physic]

I dunno man, i wouldnt be surprised if i could beat that on my pug, i can already do like 700 dmg with victimize on them and im 40.
The burst is a pretty hax tool though i admit, because it allows you to get tp, but then again lnc is really fast dmg as well, and has tp skills, i think archer rules the burst, but who rules the over time? back when i ran with an archer in party his effectiveness used to go down when we were chaining mobs, in long drawn out fights / non stop fights we were kind of passing gim up. Of course this was early, things may change at like level 30+, he switched to mostly lnc before that.

I would go with the buff others rather than the nerf stick if it really is straight up better though. I still think it may be situational, or playestyle though.

[Peregrine]

Like others have said Archer is only good for burst DMG so yeah stacking Multishot and Raging Strike is great at the start of a fight and because mobs are so weak most of the time half their HP bar will vanish and then people think that you are OP.

I did the crab NM the other day and on Archer I was doing about 20-30 DMG a hit so I switched to MRD and I was doing 100-120 a hit. Archer is a great class and I have loads of fun playing it but it is not because it is OP.

Oh so it's good for burst damage. So it's like Black mage in XI. Oh that's better. Gee, that job never gave us ANY problems, did it?

Guess what you can do with 8 spike damages at once. Wait wait, don't guess. Again, learn your history.

Screw it, the answer is "everything, immediately"

[Peregrine]

I would go with the buff others rather than the nerf stick if it really is straight up better though. I still think it may be situational, or playestyle though.

6 of one, half dozen of the other. The History lesson is clear. To be balanced, meleers require higher damage potential than archers because of archers unavoidable advantages at staying far away from a mob.

Archers don't get stomped. If the great buffalo were any harder, which we all want it to be, then the stomp would tear the meleers up. What would be the solution? Replace them with thaumaturges and archers.

Someone either needs paid or needs to pay. Meleers either need paid for standing on the front line and taking it, or archers need to pay for the luxury of staying back. Archers have 40 foot long swords. Pay for it.

Gil is not a currency for battle performance. We proved that already, so don't even argue it again.

[Isaaru]

Peregrine, you do know SE is reworking the attribute formulas to make them more viable right? That could very well fix this "issue" you speak of.

And claiming everyone is ignorant when the only class you seem to know anything about is Conjurer (if you even properly know how to play that) is a silly thing to do. Here's a lesson for you: Have knowledge of what you're talking about before you start a debate about it.

[Ilean]

The only reason they had to be nerfed in XI was because ninja subjob made them untouchable. SE should make sure that archers stay defensively weak + hate magnets.