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    There's also one thing we have to understand too: The world is changing. Ever since the introduction of the internet, all we know back in the early 90s changed forever. From piracy to this, there is a new era of people with a passion for video games and more wanting to either review independently or provide entertainment with said product. They earn a living through it and promote the video game to boot.

    Comedians earn a dollar of making fun of -everyone- and ripping some things to shreds, from all parts of the world. No one is restricting that.
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    This isn't about SE not living in the 21 century. This is about the OP and its ilk not living in *reality*. You don't understand copyright law, you don't respect the IP and you've spent this entire thread twisting yourselves into knots, trying to push the same juvenile arguments so often seen on the Internet. It's the same mentality that makes so many PC gamers think that stealing another's intellectual property is right, claiming piracy is actually GOOD and generates more business. That type of broke, backwards logic.

    It's real simple. You don't get to make a CENT off of someone else's IP no matter how much you say you love it.

    You want to start a grassroots movement? By all means! Do what every other such movement does and use your OWN money. That's what it means to be a fan at that level. When you love a product to the point where you are willing to sacrifice your time and your energy, driven by your passion for the product you believe in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormspirit View Post
    This isn't about SE not living in the 21 century. This is about the OP and its ilk not living in *reality*. You don't understand copyright law, you don't respect the IP and you've spent this entire thread twisting yourselves into knots, trying to push the same juvenile arguments so often seen on the Internet. It's the same mentality that makes so many PC gamers think that stealing another's intellectual property is right, claiming piracy is actually GOOD and generates more business. That type of broke, backwards logic.

    It's real simple. You don't get to make a CENT off of someone else's IP no matter how much you say you love it.

    You want to start a grassroots movement? By all means! Do what every other such movement does and use your OWN money. That's what it means to be a fan at that level. When you love a product to the point where you are willing to sacrifice your time and your energy, driven by your passion for the product you believe in.


    I think I love you.

    The fact of the matter is, it's SE's IP. It's theirs to license however they want. If they don't want you making money off it, then that's the way it is. If you love the game and want to make quality videos of the game for youtube, you'll do it whether or not they make money.
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  4. #184
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    But I'm not bringing up about -that-. That person is just complaining. I'm just saying there is more to this then simply copyright law. This is the right to entertain and the right to review, be it youtube or else, a product. Totalbiscuit got a review copy and was asked to review it but wasn't allowed to use -any- of the footage due to their agreement. As a result, he refused to do the review.

    This is a huge restriction. In their effort to stop people like the OP, they've completely ruined it for the actual LEGITIMATE reviewers and entertainers. They stand just as much as Gamespot and IGN in terms of reviewing and making videos.
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  5. #185
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedane View Post
    There's also one thing we have to understand too: The world is changing. Ever since the introduction of the internet, all we know back in the early 90s changed forever. From piracy to this, there is a new era of people with a passion for video games and more wanting to either review independently or provide entertainment with said product. They earn a living through it and promote the video game to boot.

    Comedians earn a dollar of making fun of -everyone- and ripping some things to shreds, from all parts of the world. No one is restricting that.
    The law hasn't changed.

    The only thing that's changed with the Internet age is the ease in which you can break those laws and get away with it. Spitting on copyright law and the rights of the IP holder are bad enough, but the fact that you think you can justify that position and claim the moral high ground is absurd.
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    Popular YouTubers are influential.

    Influential YouTubers make a lot of videos.

    Lots of videos reach a wider range of population.

    Reaching a wider range of population makes FFXIV more popular.

    FFXIV more popular brings SE more income.

    More income to SE means more games and more content.

    SE should embrace the new marketing model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koreos View Post
    Popular YouTubers are influential.

    Influential YouTubers make a lot of videos.

    Lots of videos reach a wider range of population.

    Reaching a wider range of population makes FFXIV more popular.

    FFXIV more popular brings SE more income.

    More income to SE means more games and more content.

    SE should embrace the new marketing model.
    Everything you mentioned can, and does, happen without monetization. If people want to support SE, they will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormspirit View Post
    Everything you mentioned can, and does, happen without monetization. If people want to support SE, they will.
    You are right. However, influential YouTubers that spend a lot of time and effort making videos do it for an incentive. That is just a fact of life.

    Would SE rather spend money, time and effort in little quarrels with silly internet video people, or take advantage of the free marketing, publicity and income they will bring them? It seems like a no brainer to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedane View Post
    But I'm not bringing up about -that-. That person is just complaining. I'm just saying there is more to this then simply copyright law. This is the right to entertain and the right to review, be it youtube or else, a product. Totalbiscuit got a review copy and was asked to review it but wasn't allowed to use -any- of the footage due to their agreement. As a result, he refused to do the review.

    This is a huge restriction. In their effort to stop people like the OP, they've completely ruined it for the actual LEGITIMATE reviewers and entertainers. They stand just as much as Gamespot and IGN in terms of reviewing and making videos.
    This is the main problem as i see it, but it also seems more like an oversight than an intention. I'm hoping they can adjust the rules to solve that problem though.
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    People who say "you're a loser for making money off of content on games" are childish and completely missing the point.

    This change causes a lot of quality content creators who might be sponsored by big networks, to no longer be able to put out their consistent, high-quality content revolving around the game. This content does wonders for games: It helps advertise, it creates online communities, it brings in new players curious about the game, it helps current players learn about the game. There is no downside to it, in-fact it is a huge positive for your game. This is why smart companies like Blizzard and Arenanet allow this type of thing. Mr Happy, a content creator I loved watching and who helped me get into this game, is just one of many creators that will no longer be able to devote as much time and energy into making content about this game due to this archaic, short-sited policy. It is decisions like these that are responsible for failures like 1.0.

    The only thing this policy does for the community is remove a huge amount of great content from ever being created for this game. And that is a bad thing, there is no other way about it.

    Really bad move Square Enix.
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