Are you guys not logging out or something?

[Yobtar]

Take a walk a round the cities/sanctuarys/towns you can see MANY people afk, and walk by them an hour later and still in that exact place. People are abusing the fact they don't get logged out, and staying logged in.
I knew I'd be out of the game for 3 hours, but for this very reason I didn't stay logged in. It's unfair to people trying to play. Not to mention if a lot of people can't get in, they may give up soon, and that means less people to play with down the line.

EDIT: Not to mention people in INN's for rested.

There aren't many bots, this game isn't economy based like XI or even as influenced by it as other games like WoW/Rift etc.. Been specifically designed that way, less demand means less need for supply, means less bots.
Just ignore them, and hope to god not too many people start complaining, or SE might do something stupid with how much they hate RMT, and have that huge collateral dmg issue XI had a while back where a whole bunch of innocent people got banned for a long time.

[Fishbait]

What would make me happy is a Properly Working Queue System. I think you would have less Squatters if people knew they didn't have to worry about pressing a button over and over to play.

[Yokosho]

I saw a transparent character in the horizon area earlier yesturday. I logged out earlier in the inn for the sleep XP bonus tho an now I can't sign back in

[Kirito_Kun]

What would make me happy is a Properly Working Queue System. I think you would have less Squatters if people knew they didn't have to worry about pressing a button over and over to play.

Precisely, I'd like to know exactly WHY they removed the queue system they had in place already. If there was a bit more communication it would set a lot of peoples' minds at ease...especially mine. If they said something to the effect of, "Every time we implement the queue system, we are forced to watch our grandmothers do a burlesque routine" or something to this effect; I would cease with my queries...and probably never sleep again.

[Yobtar]

Precisely, I'd like to know exactly WHY they removed the queue system they had in place already.

That system is still in place, the only time I'm getting hit with 1017 and I get in, there is a queue...
During non peak hours, I get in right away with no queue or 1017.
I'd happily watch my grandmother do a burlesque routine just for a proper queue again, that way I could plan my nightmares of that event to end by the time my queue pops.

[WingsofWar]

Precisely, I'd like to know exactly WHY they removed the queue system they had in place already. If there was a bit more communication it would set a lot of peoples' minds at ease...especially mine. If they said something to the effect of, "Every time we implement the queue system, we are forced to watch our grandmothers do a burlesque routine" or something to this effect; I would cease with my queries...and probably never sleep again.

If they are trying to find instabilities in the server why would they want more people inside the server? All it does is cause more problems. Limiting traffic and getting rid of the que is what i would do if i was at the Data Center and wanted to keep it open. Otherwise i would have just shut down all the servers outright for a week and do a code overhaul on the database.

Did you forget that SE is debugging server issues right now, which is why some features are temporarily going to be disabled. and lag is more prominent as the guys at the datacenter are going through the racks.

[Kirito_Kun]

That solves the problem only for one group of people, though: those fortunate enough to get logged into the game. It also promotes those players to STAY in the game donking it up for those of us who log out. Take down the servers for a week and fix the problem...it's not like the entire player base is getting a chance to play the game anyway. Does it seem fair that one group gets to level up and experience content whilst the other group gets to wait it out and be told by those people to "like it"? That's ignorant to the point of being offensive.

[XiaoliVorgan]

Wow.

Lets not forget servers are not made out of nothing. There is more than a meeting to be done. Hardware to be ordered, and received. Space to put the hardware acquired if they do not have enough in their current location. Make sure the cooling system is sufficient as well as power use. Then there is also the man hours involved in uploading the data to the server, making sure it is stable (so people don't froth at the mouth). Finally, if all goes according to plan they then have to decide how, if at all, they will implement server transfers. I am sure there are a ton of other quality related issues as well. Myself, I would prefer that they take the time to do it right, rather than slapping something together that fails or constantly has to be down for maintenance.

Everyone acts like it is super easy to do what they are doing. It isn't! Given a choice, I am sure the devs would prefer to see the forums filled with PRAISE for their products, not a lynch mob. Personally, I am taking the patience route. Do I want to log in and play? HECK YEAH! However I am not going to sit here obsessively trolling the forum, or spamming the log in.

No one is forgetting but everyone thinks they should have been better prepared. This is not the first MMO to exist on top of this being 2013. Not to mention they ran into these issues prior to the grand launching, the meeting should have gone down soon as EA was having this issue. Actually from what I heard, some of these issues were in Beta.. so yeah, I could be wrong though but still, they fuggin up right now. I also don't believe this is trolling, this is venting and people come here to do it with people going through the same situation and feeling the same way about it because apparently there is no one in customer support for which the vent can be directed to. However, you don't seem to have the need to vent about the topic of this thread nor do you feel the same as those venting, yet you are on this thread. That would be classified as trolling. But hey, I get it.. you're tired of reading threads with people bitchin about their issues. Don't click em.

[XiaoliVorgan]

That solves the problem only for one group of people, though: those fortunate enough to get logged into the game. It also promotes those players to STAY in the game donking it up for those of us who log out. Take down the servers for a week and fix the problem...it's not like the entire player base is getting a chance to play the game anyway. Does it seem fair that one group gets to level up and experience content whilst the other group gets to wait it out and be told by those people to "like it"? That's ignorant to the point of being offensive.

I agree, turn it off for everyone and fix the issue. They won't do that though because they don't want to look bad (too late) or should I say, worse for not being able to deliver (too late) on the promised launching. Everyone would be on equal ground, sure people would qq about not being able to play but thats already going on anyway.

[WingsofWar]

That solves the problem only for one group of people, though: those fortunate enough to get logged into the game. It also promotes those players to STAY in the game donking it up for those of us who log out. Take down the servers for a week and fix the problem...it's not like the entire player base is getting a chance to play the game anyway. Does it seem fair that one group gets to level up and experience content whilst the other group gets to wait it out and be told by those people to "like it"? That's ignorant to the point of being offensive.

Keeping the server open helps them find the error, and its likely a database logic error otherwise the servers would have shut down. The only way to find these errors is to see them actually occur in real time. Had SE shut down the servers to fix a database logic error, they could have simply just reloaded the database client and hoped for the best, and that could have not fixed anything at all. Iv done my share of Server Side IT programming and I can only guess whats happening at the Data Center based on my experience, and its not greener on the otherside. Its Hot and sweaty work that gets no recognition when things actually work properly, and cursed for being incompetent when errors pop up that is nowhere near your fault or had anything to do with.

I don't like the fact that some players were unwillingly selected to be opped out of the game because of this debugging session, i don't like that those paid members have been victimized. But there is simply no other solution to finding issues in code when it comes to servers and databases. Had this been a client issue, or critical error a simple patch from SE would have been good. But sadly this is not the case and we could see days and weeks before a real solution is found.

Adding more servers is not a solution, it makes more problems as it just multiplies errors.