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[Earthlust]

No one payed extra, just early.

Yeah, I paid extra. I played 1.0 but didn't qualify for Legacy status.

[Hoveurt]

Yeah, I paid extra. I played 1.0 but didn't qualify for Legacy status.

I can see where you think this counts, but I just can't agree that it does. You bought a whole new copy just to have EA. However, you didn't pay a fee that's only purpose of existing was to allow EA.

The purpose of my argument is to establish that there isn't a separate FEE for AE!

[Earthlust]

I can see where you think this counts, but I just can't agree that it does. You bought a whole new copy just to have EA. However, you didn't pay a fee that's only purpose of existing was to allow EA.

The purpose of my argument is to establish that there isn't a separate FEE for AE!

EA doesn't have an extra fee over the cost of the game. Doesn't change the fact that the thousands of us who bought 1.0 and were (rightly) horrified with the quality of the product didn't have to buy ARR, but if we did, it was to access EA. No, it's not technically an EA fee, but in reality, thousands of us did pay for EA and EA alone.

[seebs]

The purpose of my argument is to establish that there isn't a separate FEE for AE!

That's a pure red herring, with no bearing on things at all. Imagine that your job makes it impossible to play MMOs except on weekends. And imagine that an MMO is down absolutely all day every day on weekends. You could argue that you don't pay a separate fee for weekends, they are bundled in with service during the week, so you aren't out anything you paid for... And it would be just as accurate as your current argument. People are made an offer of getting a certain product+service bundle. They then don't get that. It is not unreasonable for them to complain about this.

[Hoveurt]

That's a pure red herring, with no bearing on things at all. Imagine that your job makes it impossible to play MMOs except on weekends. And imagine that an MMO is down absolutely all day every day on weekends. You could argue that you don't pay a separate fee for weekends, they are bundled in with service during the week, so you aren't out anything you paid for... And it would be just as accurate as your current argument. People are made an offer of getting a certain product+service bundle. They then don't get that. It is not unreasonable for them to complain about this.

Hey person, I'm just as peeved as everyone else about not being able to log in since 10 am CT. Your argument doesn't apply to my argument, because it requires one to establish an assumption based on a theoretical situation. My argument is a counter argument, stating that Early Access is given to people who pre-ordered the game, and not given to people for paying EXTRA money aside from the purchase of the game. I am correct in this argument. I have not defended SquareEnix for anything at all, all I'm trying to help people understand is that they aren't out any EXTRA money. Even if you only pre-ordered because of the offer to Early Access doesn't mean you paid MORE money than Joe Blow is gonna pay tomorrow at the store.

[Mr_Unhappy_Pants]

I have had almost every single error they could throw at you over the past 4-5 days (Including open beta in that statement)...I only have one thing to say, and I think all of you, everyone should say it with me.

"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore! I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!!"

Everyone, all together!!
"We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore!!!"

End of Therapy.
My business card: Mr_Unhappy_Pants, Analrapist
Therapist/Analyst

[seebs]

I have not defended SquareEnix for anything at all, all I'm trying to help people understand is that they aren't out any EXTRA money.

That doesn't matter, at all. It is in no way a rebuttal. You are not helping people understand; you are telling them their feelings are wrong, and this is just going to make them more unhappy without helping at all. People were offered something. They paid money to get it. They didn't get it. They are mad. You are telling them that they are not actually out money for the thing they paid for, because they really paid for something else. But they didn't! They paid for this. If they hadn't paid for this, they wouldn't be unhappy.