Final things THAT NEED to be in this game

[Amage]

Well if it's possible to bot any NM/HMN then why are you arguing for going back to the same old tactics?

They are changing how it works in FFXI now, why would they bring it back to life in this game?

Not what im saying at all . what im saying is making hnm or nms longer pop times not this 5min pops and bring competition to rival linkshells not just awe well its gonna pop in 30sec again where it is w/e if you claim
also to make the armor that drops far better to where you can wear for more then 5 lvls or 1 lvl in some cases

[Cairdeas]

Not what im saying at all . what im saying is making hnm or nms longer pop times not this 5min pops and bring competition to rival linkshells not just awe well its gonna pop in 30sec again where it is w/e if you claim
also to make the armor that drops far better to where you can wear for more then 5 lvls or 1 lvl in some cases

Again. Time =/= Challenge or Competition

increasing the time for pops wont do anything but increase the time people have to sit around waiting.

I'd rather see HNM's be Arena fights where the true challenge is implemented by the arena not "Competeting for the pop" thats a false challenge.

Like I said in my first post in this thread, The high level NM's should be from Arenas where theres special rules when you enter the fight like no MP/HP regen, no stat/class/equipment changing, hate covers the whole arena are the three ideas I think would increase the challenge exponentially but these rules wouldn't fit in a normal world zone.

[Wobi]

Not what im saying at all . what im saying is making hnm or nms longer pop times not this 5min pops and bring competition to rival linkshells not just awe well its gonna pop in 30sec again where it is w/e if you claim
also to make the armor that drops far better to where you can wear for more then 5 lvls or 1 lvl in some cases

I wouldn't expect that the higher level ones will have 5min repop times, they may even increase the spawn time on the existing ones based on feedback. Who knows. I still think that progressive content is the way to go over luck but that is my personal belief. The way ZNM's functioned would be a decent platform to build from as you worked your way up to progressively harder NM's and it could branch in different ways while getting some semi-decent or situational gear along the way.