Learning to be Patient with SE Dev Communication.

[Sigmakan]

You obviously haven't been around the forums of games the developers of which were so unprofessional as to give the "rough timeline" you demand (bad, bad error in game development) and were eaten alive when such timeline happened to slip (because in development timelines slip a lot, and often).

It's simply a no no for any dev worth his salt. You simply don't promise stuff that isn't finalyzed, and considering how much wrong can be found during testing, timelines are the last thing that get finalyzed.

It's funny how some have such immense troubles in understanding this very, very simple concept.

Appreciate the condescending tone!

They were off to a good start with those large tables in the first few dev letters. Would like to see updated versions of those.

Or were those unprofessional as well?

[Xeno]

Appreciate the condescending tone!

They were off to a good start with those large tables in the first few dev letters. Would like to see updated versions of those.

Or were those unprofessional as well?

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.] I would like to see a new table like the ones from the first letter since Yoshi-P said those were his 2-3 month goals and it's been about 2-3 months since we got the updated table.

[Abriael]

Appreciate the condescending tone!

They were off to a good start with those large tables in the first few dev letters. Would like to see updated versions of those.

Or were those unprofessional as well?

If you mean the ones in november, you saw the results of those table. The plans changed, and people continue to flame them over and over because they did. This is exactly the result of giving "rough timeframes" and long-term information that wasn't yet finalyzed out of panic for a bad release.

On the other hand, if you mean the tables Yoshida had in his letters, those are obsolete now. The "in development" forum has exactly the same contents.

Don't bother with any of the people who are like Abriael, they just act like jerks to stir up drama.

so funny to see how some stubbornly refuse to hear some realism.

[Betelgeuzah]

On the other hand, if you mean the tables Yoshida had in his letters, those are obsolete now. The "in development" forum has exactly the same contents.

The tables were easier to read and all the information was nicely compiled instead of hiding behind individual threads, so I don't think they are obsolete. I hope Yoshida keeps posting them, after 1.18 would be a good time for another.

[Abriael]

The tables were easier to read and all the information was nicely compiled instead of hiding behind individual threads, so I don't think they are obsolete. I hope Yoshida keeps posting them, after 1.18 would be a good time for another.

1: there's less space in the tables, so they're even less informative
2: they can only be updated alongside yoshida's letter, making them less flexible
3: what exactly is hard to read in a forum format where new features and updates are added on top?

[Betelgeuzah]

1: there's less space in the tables, so they're even less informative
2: they can only be updated alongside yoshida's letter, making them less flexible
3: what exactly is hard to read in a forum format where new features and updates are added on top?

It is a nice compilation of information that the current forum threads do not offer (because you have to go to each thread individually, which makes browsing cumbersome), and the closest we can get to a road-map at this point. It is not obsolete.

[Abriael]

It is a nice compilation of information that the current forum threads do not offer (because you have to go to each thread individually, which makes browsing cumbersome), and the closest we can get to a road-map at this point. It is not obsolete.

"please, yoshida-san, waste time that you could use actually working on the game to compile a less informative version of something we already have!"

Because the fact that when he posts in the forums he does so at 2 AM already shows that he has plenty time to waste, right?

[Spellbinder]

"please, yoshida-san, waste time that you could use actually working on the game to compile a less informative version of something we already have!"

Because the fact that when he posts in the forums he does so at 2 AM already shows that he has plenty time to waste, right?

I usually tend to agree with your posts Abriael, but here I really think you need to tone down the attitude that your posting suggests. As Yoshida has already had to point out in one of his letters due to all the rage and arguing, there are various teams with various tasks all working together to create this game. Who is to say there is no team that works on the website who could work to consolidate information in an easy to view table on the main page.

1: there's less space in the tables, so they're even less informative

As Betelgeuzah already stated, a table would serve as a simplified compilation to give anyone who sees it a quick idea of what goals have been completed it, what goals have been set, and what goals are currently being worked on.

2: they can only be updated alongside yoshida's letter, making them less flexible

Assuming they were only updated alongside a letter, a milestone of progress from letter to letter is still nothing to sneeze at. Hypothetically speaking, what if there was a page on the site dedicated simply to the table and occasionally changing the status of its contents as progress is made?

3: what exactly is hard to read in a forum format where new features and updates are added on top?

While perhaps not hard to read, it is safe to assume that generally speaking not everyone bothers to look at the website for any given game very often, and even fewer actually populate official forums if there are any. Creating other outlets to show people "hey, this is what we have planned, this is what we're working on, and this is what is finished" would only help.

We need less "no, doing X is stupid and a waste of time" and more "I don't think X would be a good way to go, but maybe Y wouldn't be so bad".

[Betelgeuzah]

"please, yoshida-san, waste time that you could use actually working on the game to compile a less informative version of something we already have!"

Because the fact that when he posts in the forums he does so at 2 AM already shows that he has plenty time to waste, right?

Yeah, you don't agree. That doesn't make it obsolete, sorry to tell you.

And you act like you think it's Yoshida who compiles that information for us. He must be the one creating those nice poll charts and job armor concepts as well. Everything in that letter must be hand-crafted by Him.