Bards, Checking In!

[Connor]

To all you Bards
Both old and new
To Eorzea, I welcome you!
Our adventures take us far and wide
But as Bards, we shall never hide!
Our songs will resound throughout the land
For this era, as Bards, united we stand!


...how did I do? Like it?
I couldn't help but join in with the other job posts. How many new / old players do we have on Bard?

[CypherBarras]

Archer is one of my favorite classes just not sure on the outfit for Bard but love the on the move aspect of Archer enough that it will be either the first or second to get up there.

[NaturalLotD]

Now to discover if the seconday requirements have changed.

[Connor]

As of Phase 4, the secondary requirements for Bard are Lancer and Pugilist. If, by secondary requirements, you mean prerequisite secondary classes.
However, as mentioned before there seems to be some confusion about this.

[Gyli]

While I'm aiming to be a bard. I miss the classic FFXI bard.

[Mrzappa]

As of Phase 4, the secondary requirements for Bard are Lancer and Pugilist. If, by secondary requirements, you mean prerequisite secondary classes.

Are you sure of that? Because if i check popular sites with guides or even wiki they all still say its 30 archer 15 conjurer for a bard?

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/job/bard.php
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV

And if im wrong can you direct me to some accurate pages so i can start on the right foot this weekend?

[Connor]

While I'm aiming to be a bard. I miss the classic FFXI bard.

I don't have a problem with "Barcher" itself, really. The problem I have is that there's an imbalance between singing and damage dealing.
I hate being one to posit some arbitrary percentages, but I'd say Bard has become around 70% Damage and 30% support.
Damage dealing and stuff is fine, but I'd much rather see it as 50/50 between damage and support.
Don't let it put you off Bard, though! Songs still have a lot of uses, even if they are in limited number.

What does everyone else think? Should Bard become more support-oriented? Less? Or is it fine the way it is?


EDIT:

Are you sure of that? Because if i check popular sites with guides or even wiki they all still say its 30 archer 15 conjurer for a bard?

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/job/bard.php
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV

And if im wrong can you direct me to some accurate pages so i can start on the right foot this weekend?

Well, to be honest, there's a lot of ambiguity with it. While I didn't take screenshots or anything, in Phase 4 Bard could only cross-class abilities from Pugilist and Lancer. However, a lot of people are saying that the Pugilist affinities didn't show Bard on them, while Conjurer ones still did. It's hard to say as pulling from Pugilist could have been a bug; conversely, it could just be the affinities that are bugged.
I'm sorry that I can't give you a definitive answer as of yet, but once Early Access comes I'll check again, and it'll be more likely that the subclasses are concrete. I'll come back to this thread and post which is needed, since I'm sure a lot of people are wondering about this question!

If anyone has a better answer for Mrzappa's question, let us know what you've found!

[Mrzappa]

Well, to be honest, there's a lot of ambiguity with it. While I didn't take screenshots or anything, in Phase 4 Bard could only cross-class abilities from Pugilist and Lancer. However, a lot of people are saying that the Pugilist affinities didn't show Bard on them, while Conjurer ones still did. It's hard to say as pulling from Pugilist could have been a bug; conversely, it could just be the affinities that are bugged.
I'm sorry that I can't give you a definitive answer as of yet, but once Early Access comes I'll check again, and it'll be more likely that the subclasses are concrete. I'll come back to this thread and post which is needed, since I'm sure a lot of people are wondering about this question!

If anyone has a better answer for Mrzappa's question, let us know what you've found!

K ty, and subscribed to this thread

[Gyli]

I don't have a problem with "Barcher" itself, really. The problem I have is that there's an imbalance between singing and damage dealing.
I hate being one to posit some arbitrary percentages, but I'd say Bard has become around 70% Damage and 30% support.
Damage dealing and stuff is fine, but I'd much rather see it as 50/50 between damage and support.
Don't let it put you off Bard, though! Songs still have a lot of uses, even if they are in limited number.

What does everyone else think? Should Bard become more support-oriented? Less? Or is it fine the way it is?

I think it needs to be a 50/50 as well or it needs to be 70% support and 30% damage. Bard in nature have been support orientated across final fantasy games.

As for the change to Bard changes in FFXIV here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gOooN8BmhY

Go to the discussion about bards near the end to see the changes.

[buccfan001]

I heard about the Bards dropping Conjurer and picking up Pugilist too, check out his video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7gOooN8BmhY