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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Nope. I live in a real world where people learn foreign languages because it's useful. A videogame helping to improve them is definitely an added bonus.

    But hey! Stay away from the internets! You might meet some scary foreigners there!
    You still don't get it. I don't care if you're a foreigner. I care about the fact for complex situations like raids or group missions, they require more communication than what the translator can provide. To suggest "go learn a new language" to play a game is ludicrous. When you put all players of different languages into one server, you're effectively limiting the pool of players you can interact with in these kind of situations.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Or perhaps that segregated servers are stagnant. What happens when I play during "Lowtime" on the NA server but can't play with anyone because the majority of the NA world sleeps?

    Too many issues with players being on at odd times, I think it's a downright silly thing segregated servers. Hell in XI there was little to no "Server lag" and in XIV I still see little server lag and we have been told this is all server side issues not regional issues.

    The reason we take so long to do ____ is because all the actions are server side instead of client side, they have been slowly migrating functions to client side for much faster feedback.
    I don't honestly see the issue with latency so I agree with you there. This only applied to when you had to claim NM's over others when it came to 11, and they fixed it so you couldn't claim the mobs till after a certain time after it spawned.

    Cross-server groups for dungeons which is a hot topic is one way to alleviate non prime time players from not being able to group. Really though, its the abysmal population because of the state of this game that's really the problem. In more populated games I've never really had a problem getting groups even at odd hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Or perhaps that segregated servers are stagnant. What happens when I play during "Lowtime" on the NA server but can't play with anyone because the majority of the NA world sleeps?

    Too many issues with players being on at odd times, I think it's a downright silly thing segregated servers. Hell in XI there was little to no "Server lag" and in XIV I still see little server lag and we have been told this is all server side issues not regional issues.

    The reason we take so long to do ____ is because all the actions are server side instead of client side, they have been slowly migrating functions to client side for much faster feedback.
    How can you not see server lag in FFXI or FFXIV? Do you live inside the servers or something?
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radaghast View Post
    You still don't get it. I don't care if you're a foreigner. I care about the fact for complex situations like raids or group missions, they require more communication than what the translator can provide. To suggest "go learn a new language" to play a game is ludicrous. When you put all players of different languages into one server, you're effectively limiting the pool of players you can interact with in these kind of situations.
    From Abriael post I got it was like, "a person learning another language...can find friends from another country...and practice the language they are speaking...while playing a video game they like to play." I do this. If there were regional servers it'd take away to chat with French/Quebecois people, and I would not get to practice French as often as I regularly do. It's awesome when a game has that. You can't hate on people for being more educated and worldly, you can hate on someone because they want to talk to people from other countries to improve a language they already started learning on their own, these are all good goals, to not like these are counterproductive. You don't have to learn another language, but if this game came out this way, and people use these functions, and this is a status quo for SE (FFXI), then deal with it.

    plus half the reason JPs don't want to play with us is true, most western mmo players are greedy and immature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radaghast View Post
    You still don't get it. I don't care if you're a foreigner. I care about the fact for complex situations like raids or group missions, they require more communication than what the translator can provide. To suggest "go learn a new language" to play a game is ludicrous. When you put all players of different languages into one server, you're effectively limiting the pool of players you can interact with in these kind of situations.
    You're still implying that most people need the translator to communicate. Which is laughable. A vast majority of non-english native speakers that play MMORPGs *do* speak english.
    Add to that the fact that many english speakers learn other languages *bcause it's useful* (and not just to play the game), and you get a much better picture than what you're trying to show, while trying very hard to misconstrue what I say, by the way.
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    Most jps who played XI know basic english for strategy in the game, and certain function of a party. The other day in XI, this guy asked "why are you guys saying WC, we're not euros lol" and everyone /facepalmed. Most mmo terminology came from EQ and that age of mmos, and so it was taken directly to Japan. [proven by jps lurking my english convo strat from xi, all the time, multiple occasions] I think if its common mmo lingo, they know it.

    edit: i'll admit my partying isn't a statistical survey, but its an observation.
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    Last edited by zaviermhigo; 04-22-2011 at 01:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radaghast View Post
    You still don't get it. I don't care if you're a foreigner. I care about the fact for complex situations like raids or group missions, they require more communication than what the translator can provide. To suggest "go learn a new language" to play a game is ludicrous. When you put all players of different languages into one server, you're effectively limiting the pool of players you can interact with in these kind of situations.

    I really hope you're not serious here. Servers can handle thousands of players. So let's assume you're on a server that's "maxed out" at ... 5,000, just to pick a number. Even if 50% of them were Japanese players, that's still 2,500 people that you can potentially party with in your bigoted way. Oh, and I'd be willing to bet that at least 10% of that other 2,500 can speak enough English to satisfy your "I need to use complex explanations" requirement.

    If there was a server limit of less than 100 people, you MIGHT have had a point... but you're just getting ridiculous now.
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  7. #67
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    FFXIV's inclusive global server system is wonderful. Not only does it allow us to play with people from around the world, but it also makes it so that there are several peak playing times.

    Would response times be faster if the servers were located in your country? Sure, but you probably wouldn't even notice it. I lived in Japan for seven years, and during that time I played WoW for a bit with a friend of mine back in the U.S. We played on a U.S. server. When we bothered to check latency his was always somewhat better than mine, but when actually playing the game we noticed no difference. Response times for me were just fine. FFXIV has big problems with lag, but it's not due to the servers being located in Japan. I guarantee you that gamers get the same crappy lag over there as well. (FFXI was certainly no zippier for me when I played it over there.)
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    I agree, I pinged the Lodestone and it was like 260ms compared to the normal 20ms I get on most other sites stateside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia View Post
    I agree, I pinged the Lodestone and it was like 260ms compared to the normal 20ms I get on most other sites stateside.
    Big deal, two whole tenths of second. It's gonna ruin your peerformaaans in a game that has absolutely nothing to do with twitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Big deal, two whole tenths of second. It's gonna ruin your peerformaaans in a game that has absolutely nothing to do with twitch.
    And more importantly, is balanced to account for latency.

    There's a reason why in MMOs there is no noticable difference between someone playing with 20 ping and someone playing with 300 ping.
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