Basic Etiquette tips for people new to FFXIV (or MMOs in general)

[MithrasInvictus]

You sound like a good person to be a comrade of! This was great, and well done to you. If I had to disagree with something, I would have to say that something like "You've got to help out! We've been waiting for an hour!" isn't bullying by any stretch of the imagination. I would call it "cajoling," or "appealing to pity," if anything; someone using an imperative tone, and reinforcing it by voicing their own grievance with the situation, may not be acting terribly polite, but bullying it is not.

[HiirNoivl]

You sound like a good person to be a comrade of! This was great, and well done to you. If I had to disagree with something, I would have to say that something like "You've got to help out! We've been waiting for an hour!" isn't bullying by any stretch of the imagination. I would call it "cajoling," or "appealing to pity," if anything; someone using an imperative tone, and reinforcing it by voicing their own grievance with the situation, may not be acting terribly polite, but bullying it is not.

I will have to disagree with you. When someone has a lot of physical strength, holding someone upside down and shaking them for their lunch money is easily identifiable bullying. However, you'll see kids try to do the same thing to their parents when they don't get the answer they want.

"Come on! This party means everything!" (Unspoken threat: You, the parent, don't want my life to be devoid of meaning do you?) "If you don't let me go to the mall, I'll hate you forever!" (Spoken threat.) "Waaaah! *burst into tears* *slam the door* YOU'RE the WORST PARENT EVER." (Guilt tripping).

On the Internet, people cannot hold a gun to your head and make you do anything, so you'll see people try to bully others with the same tactic. "If the devs don't do this thing I want, I'm going to quit!"

It is bullying. Once someone says no, that needs to be respected. And they should find someone else. They don't have to help right this second. Quit trying to MAKE them.

P.S. I actually put this on my guide in a footnote. Begging for help too much usually means the FC you're in is not the right fit for you. If your FC consistently refuses to help, check with the leadership. You may be too far behind or ahead of them "progression wise". And even if you're on the same level as your FC, a non-helpful FC is an exercise in futility and it may be time to Part Ways amicably rather than pester more..

Great guide. I just wish it recommended teaching inexperienced people the ropes. I know this is a guide mostly for 'new' players, but sometimes even new players know more than even newer players.

I think this falls under "Don't ignore someone when they ask a question." But I did type up an experience I had on the server about Party Play to show that helping someone learn doesn't necessarily have to take a whole lot of time, or explanations.

I like your preemptive approach, Hiir. Well done.

Can I be next to add something? Role-players.

I don't fall along this category, but I have a few RL friends that do (they don't use the forums, but read your guide and asked me to pipe up for them). They have to resort to private conversations or avoiding populated areas rather than making the world their own. This is due to comments others make complaining about them when they've done nothing wrong but play the game the way they want to play it. This is all kinds of wrong, in my opinion, and I feel for them.

They won't bug you, so don't bug them if you don't intend on joining in.

This goes along the multiple points of respect you bring up, but calling attention to it specifically will help people be more....tolerant? Accepting? Awh, heck with it. Stop spoiling other people's fun!

I enjoyed the RP on the Balmung Server even though I only got my toes wet in it. However, some people have different rules than others...

How about I write up a brief explanation of what RP play is and how not to interrupt or join... Everyone has different rules on how to play, so it's best to ask before joining an RP conversation. (Falls under "Excuse me...")

[MithrasInvictus]

I will have to disagree with you. When someone has a lot of physical strength, holding someone upside down and shaking them for their lunch money is easily identifiable bullying. However, you'll see kids try to do the same thing to their parents when they don't get the answer they want.

"Come on! This party means everything!" (Unspoken threat: You, the parent, don't want my life to be devoid of meaning do you?) "If you don't let me go to the mall, I'll hate you forever!" (Spoken threat.) "Waaaah! *burst into tears* *slam the door* YOU'RE the WORST PARENT EVER." (Guilt tripping).

On the Internet, people cannot hold a gun to your head and make you do anything, so you'll see people try to bully others with the same tactic. "If the devs don't do this thing I want, I'm going to quit!"

It is bullying. Once someone says no, that needs to be respected.

I don't see how someone's size has any relevance to a video game, and if you can provide a single example of someone picking someone up and shaking them down THROUGH THE INTERNET, I applaud your sleuthing abilities! Regardless, someone acting like a whiny brat with an inflated sense of entitlement still doesn't strike me as bullying. It strikes me as someone who is acting like a whiny brat with an inflated sense of entitlement. We'll just have to agree to disagree here. The whiny, bratty people out there are the reason that black lists exist. I don't like playing with them either, because they're aggravating.