The Twelve: Who were they...?

[Skavian]

Another point to ponder is that while the civilized races worship the Twelve - the beastmen only worship their respective Primal. I've tried to make a connection between Primals and the Twelve and it does not appear to be there.

One dynamic to look at however is that if Bahamut was imprisoned in the past and during the most recent Umbral era the Archons failed to imprison him again - it's probably "somewhat safe" to assume the original Twelve actually were successful in imprisoning him (and probably for a good reason, right?) in their time. My guess is that the intervention of the Garleans this time around (although for all we know, they may have been around during other eras as well) caused Bahamut to become too powerful and thus break the seal.

My suspicion would be that the Twelve and Primals were original inhabitants of the world/came from somewhere else to inhabit this area and there was some strife involved there. Ifrit downright wanted everyone dead if I remember correctly - and Bahamut pretty much wiped humanity off the face of the planet until he (was?) stopped.

Does anyone remember a point where Ifrit referred to the Twelve and/or Dalamund? I think I remember him speaking on Dalamund - it's been some time.

[NoloeTazier]

Another point to ponder is that while the civilized races worship the Twelve - the beastmen only worship their respective Primal. I've tried to make a connection between Primals and the Twelve and it does not appear to be there.

One dynamic to look at however is that if Bahamut was imprisoned in the past and during the most recent Umbral era the Archons failed to imprison him again - it's probably "somewhat safe" to assume the original Twelve actually were successful in imprisoning him (and probably for a good reason, right?) in their time. My guess is that the intervention of the Garleans this time around (although for all we know, they may have been around during other eras as well) caused Bahamut to become too powerful and thus break the seal.

My suspicion would be that the Twelve and Primals were original inhabitants of the world/came from somewhere else to inhabit this area and there was some strife involved there. Ifrit downright wanted everyone dead if I remember correctly - and Bahamut pretty much wiped humanity off the face of the planet until he (was?) stopped.

Does anyone remember a point where Ifrit referred to the Twelve and/or Dalamund? I think I remember him speaking on Dalamund - it's been some time.

Sorry but the Twelve have nothing to do with the sealing of Bahamut. The Allagan Empire sealed him away with technology. We're not sure if Bahamut caused the downfall of the Allagan Empire or it was a later thing. People say the Twelve and Louisoix failed to seal Bahamut and ushered in the Seventh Umbral era, but the only "proof" of the Twelve are the symbols that formed during the sealing, which doesn't prove the Twelve had anything to do with it more so it seemed simply to be a sealing spell similar and or based upon what the Allagan Empire used.

Ifrit is relatively calm compared to Garuda. Garuda is pretty blood driven. Ifrit merely tells us that he does not want us to summon our Primal. Which of course has lead to MANY a conversations..lol Siren.

Ultimately Nael van Darnus fed the aether of Eorzea, Ifrit, and Garuda to Dalamud which empowered Bahamut..or at least indirectly. Sort of like how Nidhogg controlled Estinien, we could say Bahamut controlled Nael van Darnus..even while imprisoned which Bahamut is an Elder Primal while Nidhogg is a wyrm so it stands to be that his control would be stronger.

As we ran the dungeons in 1.0, all the different Imperial Devices, were Van Darnus' doing. Sending his troops into these different areas to harness the aether, which somehow was probably transferred to the Lunar Transmitter in Castrum Novum.

[Skavian]

Sorry but the Twelve have nothing to do with the sealing of Bahamut. The Allagan Empire sealed him away with technology. We're not sure if Bahamut caused the downfall of the Allagan Empire or it was a later thing. People say the Twelve and Louisoix failed to seal Bahamut and ushered in the Seventh Umbral era, but the only "proof" of the Twelve are the symbols that formed during the sealing, which doesn't prove the Twelve had anything to do with it more so it seemed simply to be a sealing spell similar and or based upon what the Allagan Empire used.

Ifrit is relatively calm compared to Garuda. Garuda is pretty blood driven. Ifrit merely tells us that he does not want us to summon our Primal. Which of course has lead to MANY a conversations..lol Siren.

Ultimately Nael van Darnus fed the aether of Eorzea, Ifrit, and Garuda to Dalamud which empowered Bahamut..or at least indirectly. Sort of like how Nidhogg controlled Estinien, we could say Bahamut controlled Nael van Darnus..even while imprisoned which Bahamut is an Elder Primal while Nidhogg is a wyrm so it stands to be that his control would be stronger.

As we ran the dungeons in 1.0, all the different Imperial Devices, were Van Darnus' doing. Sending his troops into these different areas to harness the aether, which somehow was probably transferred to the Lunar Transmitter in Castrum Novum.

Thank you for clearing up my mistake!

[jesseleewelch]

Possible new information. To me, this makes much more sense, but there are still two problems... Althyk and Rhalgr appear to be able to give birth by themselves. Is it possible that Nymeia got together with her servant Rhalgr? Althyk could not have mated with Azeyma or Menphina because they are his daughters... Could not have been Llymlaen or Nophica either as they are his granddaughters through Azeyma. This would leave either his sister Nymeia or Halone.

Please Fernehalwes, come back to the lore forums! We needeth thy wisdom!

[jesseleewelch]

http://ffxiv-ramesses.blogspot.com/2...be-ffxivs.html

Almost forgot to site my source! They also have a nice element wheel going on...

[Catapult]

http://ffxiv-ramesses.blogspot.com/2...be-ffxivs.html

Almost forgot to site my source! They also have a nice element wheel going on...

My, this is getting cross-posted a lot, so I'm afraid I have to cut in here as well.
Your source is from June 2010, well before the game's release. Between these stages of version 1.0 beta and release, the month associations changed, making this chart inaccurate.

[jesseleewelch]

My, this is getting cross-posted a lot, so I'm afraid I have to cut in here as well.
Your source is from June 2010, well before the game's release. Between these stages of version 1.0 beta and release, the month associations changed, making this chart inaccurate.

lol, I am active in both threads here and in lore that regard the 12 deities. We select one at char creation and I can only assume there is some effect later on so I want to know as much as I can about them ahead of time.

Thank you very much for the correction. I removed the old calendar from my post, but I am keeping the family tree (despite the moon phases) simply because it is relevant to the discussion. Thank you again for alerting me to that!

[jesseleewelch]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Twelve/page4

Please look to Akubikumo's post in a similar thread in the lore forum. She has presented some VERY interesting work. She has overlapped Anonymoose's current chart with the circle of elements and noticed a few interesting things...

[Solace]

They were those guys... Who took those steps... You know.. :P

[DubstepNinja]

The twelve are a form of Spiritus Mundi