An Eorzean Timeline.

[Catapult]

I don't think they are Padjal names... I thought they where old areas from Gelmorra? I think Tam-Tara is an old tomb that is stilled used as a burial site. Toto-Rak and Mun-Tuy could be the same but I don't think they where used are graves like Tam-Tara. Since Gelmorra was Elezen I would say they are Elezen names... no?

The cat is amused =^.^=

You may want to have a gander at this:

Hello all,

Allow me take a few moments to shed a little light on the naming conventions used for Padjals.

First off, the language that the names are based off of is that of the Ainu peoples, indigenous to northern Japan.

Here are a few real-world examples of that language:

sir e-tok : the edge of the world
nupe : tears
pon : small
wakka : clear water

We aren't using that language as-is, but have tried to create something unique based off the spellings, sounds, syllable count, and overall feel of the words.

Here are the rules for the names:

1. All are comprised of three words.

2. The first two are the forename, and the final word is the surname.

3. The first name is constructed of simple vowel-based word (E, Ae, Uo, I, Ea, etc.) combined with a longer companion word. In the case of males, the vowel-based word comes first. In the case of females, it comes second.

Male:
E-Sumi-Yan
O-App-Pesi

Female:
Kan-E-Senna
Raya-O-Senna

4. Words in the Padjal language are normally separated by spaces. However, when a group of words forms a single concept (such as a proper noun, or a compound word), they are connected with hyphens.

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In addition to NPC names, the ancient language can be seen used in names of sacred locations around the Twelveswood. If a name is Padjali, you can assume that the location has been there for a long time.

Place names:
The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak (a beast from Padjali mythology)
Tam-Tara Deepcroft

Enemy names:
Ak-Inik varlet -> servant of the Inik house
Ak-Mena varlet -> servant of the Mena house (Ak being the honorific prefix attached to a deceased member of a house)

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There was also a question about how a Padjal gets their name (considering they start off as Hyur).

There are several old Hyur families in Gridania which consistently (albeit rarely) produce Padjals. Those include the Senna, the Yan, and the Pesi families. (Note the family names still possess the Padjali linguistic roots).

When a baby is born to one of these families, he or she is given a "normal" Hyur name, as is the custom (i.e. Bryce Senna).

When it is learned that the child is a Padjal, they are given a new first name based off the ancient Padjali tongue, and accepted into Stillglade Fane for their indoctrination.

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Hope that clears things up a bit!

[Anonymoose]

Allllmost finished with the bigger project we've been working on, but I wanted to take a moment to possibly aid the frustration Catapult is having with the alliance dating, provided he hasn't already tried this: I would try seeing if it's any clearer if you separate mentions of the "Grand Companies of Eorzea" from mentions of the "Eorzean Alliance." They appear to be different entities, as this is said shortly after defeating Garuda:

It was the Eorzean Alliance the brought together the nation-states of Limsa Lominsa, Gridania, and Ul'dah only ten years past. In the beginnings, it bound even Ishgard to the common cause. Yet the mountain nation withdrew from the union but a short while after its formation, taking their land forces with them. Thence did the Eorzean Alliance quickly become an alliance in name alone.

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Though... maybe it's not fit to trust it entirely. One NPC says that the Alliance was forged ten years ago and the Empire took Ala Mhigo shortly after... that's not even close to reconcilable, is it? That's just a blatant error.

I believe that it means to say that the Alliance was formed 10 years ago after the Battle of Silvertear Skies, but because they returned to Ala Mhigo and didn't press the invasion further after this, Ishgard backed out and we went back to being complacent.

[Catapult]

Yeah, they are two separate concepts. The Eorzean Alliance is not dependant upon the Grand Companies or vice-versa.



The companies are a mechanism that can serve an alliance, but are not their foundation. I've been using this as my basis from the get go.

[Anonymoose]

The companies are a mechanism that can serve an alliance, but are not their foundation. I've been using this as my basis from the get go.

Reading that image for the first time in a while, I'd side with the idea that the old companies just weren't necessarily the same cities we have now.

[NadienKirisame]

You may want to have a gander at this:

Ah thanks Catapult I completely forgot about that... hmmmm Tam-Tara is the tomb however I don't think it is for only Padjal... maybe the families and as it says for the Ak-Inik and Ak-Mena the family servants... If I remember right I believe it was said that they still use Tam-Tara to bury the dead. So then what was Muy-Tuy and Toto-Rak used for? Also in the Instance dungeon vid they put out you can see the Ak-Inik and Ak-Mena... they all appear to be hyur...

The cat is amused =^.^=

[Myranda]

Ah thanks Catapult I completely forgot about that... hmmmm Tam-Tara is the tomb however I don't think it is for only Padjal... maybe the families and as it says for the Ak-Inik and Ak-Mena the family servants... If I remember right I believe it was said that they still use Tam-Tara to bury the dead. So then what was Muy-Tuy and Toto-Rak used for? Also in the Instance dungeon vid they put out you can see the Ak-Inik and Ak-Mena... they all appear to be hyur...

The cat is amused =^.^=

Toto-Rak seemed to be some kind of a prison like place. Many of the placenames on its map mentioned things like the interrogation chamber and what not.

Mun-Tuy was a cellars, so used for brewing and storing wine/spirits. Its map refers to aging rooms and a yeast storage room.

[Catapult]

Reading that image for the first time in a while, I'd side with the idea that the old companies just weren't necessarily the same cities we have now.

That is where I'm leaning, but even though that might resolve the Adders and Flames, it still makes it difficult to explain the Maelstrom.

[Anonymoose]

Toto-Rak seemed to be some kind of a prison like place.

That's about what it is. It was used as a dungeon until they decided that it wasn't in line with their values. Even now the place is wrought with woodsin.

[NoloeTazier]

So I was watching Their Finest Hour, An Officer and a Wise Man, and Burning Man quests (the reformation of the GC with the GC leader speeches). 2 things stood out to me. In An Officer and a Wise Man Y'shtola refers to the Archon leader as being called the Allseer and that he's come to the city-states to look for the Daybreak - a blade mentioned in the Divine Chronicles. Then in Burning Man Thancred says that their leader "quit our remote and learned little isle," and that "one can never have enough scholars of the prophecies in times such as these." So indeed Sharlayan is on a 'little' island and Louisoix is the 'Allseer' which is funny enough similar to Kan-E-Senna's title of Elder Seedseer and the Holy See of Ishgard.

As for the blade Daybreak...I think that probably refers to us Adventurers, which would make sense since Louisoix pretty much chose us for the "hard" missions and then in the act of defending us, sent us away into stasis so we would not perish to Bahamut (at the time).

Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons, Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms. Stray seeds quicken in ash's gray embrace, Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.

Seven waning moons see seven suns rise, Divine order roils, fallen corpses writhe. Souls from aether far, strangers from strange lands, Yester with thine eyes, morrow by thine hands.

Louisoix's blessing could be that of the Twelve. And Daybreak is never mentioned again, probably because he found it, better yet us.

Another thing I noticed while gandering at the Twin Adders page.

Eldest of three siblings of Padjali ancestry, Kan-E serves as head of the Seedseer Council─the central governing body presiding over affairs within the city-state of Gridania. As is common amongst those born of the prestigious Senna line, Kan-E was blessed by the Twelve with the gift of prophecy, her visions hauntingly clear and detailed. Before reaching her sixth nameday, she had already predicted a devastating fire and a locust infestation, earning her remarkably early admission to Stillglade Fane. After becoming a Sister of the Twelveswood, it was not long before she had risen to Elder Seedseer and left Gridania to live in the forest with her siblings, where she served the city-state by communing with the elementals, maintaining the delicate balance betwixt man and nature.

As the number of rumors regarding unnatural phenomena began to swell, however, Kan-E was left with no choice but to return to the city-state and assess her options. So it was that she decreed the reinstatement of the Order of the Twin Adder. A woman who has earned the respect of her people by always letting her actions speak as loud as her words, her affable demeanor belies the brave heart which beats beneath her tiny breast.

Motto: No road is closed to those true of heart.
Weapon: Claustrum─a legendary staff carved from the branch of a tree said to have survived the sixth Umbral Era.

So the bold surprised me and I had to re-read it a second time. Her power seems awfully close to that of the Echo. Yes the Echo is the past but Minfilia tells us that there are those with the Echo who saw what is at the end of the Path..which I believe to have been something involving Dalamud. The second time we see the 'starshower' it looks more like what we witnessed with Dalamud than the first 'starshower' which looked like the impact, explosion, and release of the Primals in Mor Dhona. Also as Catapult will tell us, when we use the Echo with one of the Padjal (I don't know her name since I'm more familiar with Ul'dah than Gridania) she seems to know what we're doing and forces us out. So though they may be opposites of Future and Past, they may be more alike than we know.

[Catapult]

A lot to cover here....

In An Officer and a Wise Man Y'shtola refers to the Archon leader as being called the Allseer and that he's come to the city-states to look for the Daybreak - a blade mentioned in the Divine Chronicles.

Déja Vu, buddy. Moose and I were pondering this as well just a few nights ago. I'm not going to steal his thunder, though, because he has a few things in the works. But suffice to say, I have a hunch we may be talking about something more literal this time.

...Louisoix is the 'Allseer' which is funny enough similar to Kan-E-Senna's title of Elder Seedseer and the Holy See of Ishgard.

The term Holy See is a term used in the Catholic Church to denote the "country" ruled by the Pope. Or in our case, the Archbishop of the Holy See of Ishgard.

We honestly don't know much about Sharlayan, the city. If it even is a city. I'm starting to picture more of a village attached to a university.

Her power seems awfully close to that of the Echo. Yes the Echo is the past but Minfilia tells us that there are those with the Echo who saw what is at the end of the Path..which I believe to have been something involving Dalamud. The second time we see the 'starshower' it looks more like what we witnessed with Dalamud than the first 'starshower' which looked like the impact, explosion, and release of the Primals in Mor Dhona. Also as Catapult will tell us, when we use the Echo with one of the Padjal (I don't know her name since I'm more familiar with Ul'dah than Gridania) she seems to know what we're doing and forces us out. So though they may be opposites of Future and Past, they may be more alike than we know.

I'm not sure if I entirely agree with you. I think we have more of a midichlorian-thing going on here through here highly sensitive communion with the elementals, who have a habit of spitting out prophecies from time to time.
As for using the echo on Raya-O, that wouldn't be the first time someone has noticed what you're doing, although she seems actually know what the feeling means.

Remember, the game text mentioned the concept of the end of the path when the plan was still to visit Dalamud, not drop it and break it open.