So 1.0 owners have to start paying the monthly fee immediately?

[Abriael]

Are you the developer?

Where is this supposed MMO developer rulebook you seem to be quoting?

If SE calls it a trial, its a trial.

No, just a game journalist that happens to be rather privy with game industry terminology. No need to be a developer for that. In no shape or form a beta is ever called a "free trial", because it's already free for everyone, and because it doesn't allow to try the final product.

If a developer comes up and decides to call their Pay to Play game Free to Play, it doesn't magically become free to play.

[Duuude007]

Unless it's a beta. Then it's a beta. Let's call a thing a thing, eh?

Also, I still see no evidence of them calling the beta period the official free trial period for PC users.

free trial before or on the same day as PS3 release.

Those are the key pieces of evidence they provided. If you want to redefine what that means, go ahead, but it is an old 'subject to change' timeline which is largely irrelevant today.

If you want to ignore that point, then the OP argument becomes a work of fiction.

[Abriael]

And more evidence. From the original lodestone post

Between October and December of 2012, we plan to integrate the current service and the coming PlayStation®3 version into the all-new FINAL FANTASY XIV. At this time, a second free trial period will also be offered.

"SECOND" free trial period. This shows clearly what they mean with "free trial". The first "free trial period" was the first month everyone got with the purchase of FFXIV 1.0 and that was then extended. It most certainly was not a beta.

Don't believe me? Check here.

We realize time is of the essence and are fully determined to provide our customers with quality service. It is because of this that we ask our customers to be patient until we are able to confidently present them with a concrete plan outlining FINAL FANTASY XIV's new direction. The free trial period will be extended until that time.

It shows quite clearly what Square Enix means with "Free trial period". There are multiple instances of that definition all over the lodestone, and they all refer to the same thing (which is quite aptly the standard for the whole video game industry). For added security I checked the Japanese version, and it brings the same results. In no instance the term "free trial period" is ever associated to a beta test. It's always associated with the initial free month after release that has afterwards been extended.

I'm sorry duuude, the only work of fiction here is done by you.

[SkyeWindbinder]

free trial before or on the same day as PS3 release.

Those are the key pieces of evidence they provided. If you want to redefine what that means, go ahead, but it is an old 'subject to change' timeline which is largely irrelevant today.

If you want to ignore that point, then the OP argument becomes a work of fiction.

I'm not redefining anything. I'm just stating what is there and what is not there in the document.

For instance, it says that the limited trial for the PC version should happen around the same time as the PS3's version having it's closed beta test. Nowhere does it say that free trial begins before or on the same day as the PS3's release (Where the heck did you even pull that out of? Wait, on second thought, don't tell me.)

It also doesn't say anywhere that the PC's beta phases officially count as it's free trial stage. Nowhere at all. I keep re-reading the darn thing, and it really doesn't say that at all. I'm sorry, but you're either really mis-reading this document or you're making stuff up.

[Duuude007]

And more evidence. From the original lodestone post



"SECOND" free trial period. This shows clearly what they mean with "free trial". The first "free trial period" was the first month everyone got with the purchase of FFXIV 1.0. It most certainly was not a beta.

I'm sorry duuude, the only work of fiction here is done by you.

Maybe you should reread the quote you just quoted, look back at the timeline sequence, and refer to the "subject to change" disclaimer.

Also, it is listed as the exact same time as PS3 beta, which flies in the face of the argument you are trying to make.

In the end, you are trying to take notes posted at the announcement of ARR, and interpret them in a way so that it becomes libel about SE.

Good luck with that.

(Where the heck did you even pull that out of?)

Between October and December of 2012, we plan to integrate the current service and the coming PlayStation®3 version into the all-new FINAL FANTASY XIV. At this time, a second free trial period will also be offered.

[source]

[Abriael]

Maybe you should reread the quote you just quoted, look back at the timeline sequence, and refer to the "subject to change" disclaimer.

Also, it is listed as the exact same time as PS3 beta, which flies in the face of the argument you are trying to make.

Timings have changed all over the place, with multiple delays, so they're completely irrelevant.

What is definitely relevant is that they promised a second free trial period. And all their communication clearly defines a free trial period as the free period after the release of the game.

in no instance of communication from Square Enix it defines a beta.

They promised a free trial period and we have clear evidence of what a free trial period is for SE, and we aren't getting one. Nothing you said can change that.

In the end, you are trying to take notes posted at the announcement of ARR, and interpret them in a way so that it becomes libel about SE

LOL. You need to go look at your dictionary for the meaning of "Libel" because it doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Xandir]

And more evidence. From the original lodestone post



"SECOND" free trial period. This shows clearly what they mean with "free trial". The first "free trial period" was the first month everyone got with the purchase of FFXIV 1.0 and that was then extended. It most certainly was not a beta.

Don't believe me? Check here.



It shows quite clearly what Square Enix means with "Free trial period". There are multiple instances of that definition all over the lodestone, and they all refer to the same thing (which is quite aptly the standard for the whole video game industry). For added security I checked the Japanese version, and it brings the same results. In no instance the term "free trial period" is ever associated to a beta test. It's always associated with the initial free month after release that has afterwards been extended.

I'm sorry duuude, the only work of fiction here is done by you.

Abraiel: You just shot yourself in the foot with that "evidence". Keep walking back your talking points, the official uninterpreted facts are more worthy than anything you have posted as "what they meant".

[SkyeWindbinder]

[source]

I read it. It still doesn't say anywhere on any document that the PC beta version and the PC free trial version are one and the same. I'm sorry, it's just not there.

[Holy_Dragoon]

Abraiel: You just shot yourself in the foot with that "evidence". Keep walking back your talking points, the official uninterpreted facts are more worthy than anything you have posted as "what they meant".

Hence I posted links and a picture. I didn't want to trap myself :P

[Abriael]

Abraiel: You just shot yourself in the foot with that "evidence". Keep walking back your talking points, the official uninterpreted facts are more worthy than anything you have posted as "what they meant".

The official uninterpreted facts are that they promised a free trial period, and we know what a free trial period is, as it's all over SE's official communication. We aren't getting one.

There's no shooting in the foot, no matter how much you wish it in your knee jerk attempt to defend a complete 180.