So 1.0 owners have to start paying the monthly fee immediately?

[Abriael]

The OP is using this as "evidence" that the devs lied. Which is not true.

They promised a free trial. We're not getting a free trial. It's very simple, and no amount of reality warping and misrepresentation can change that.

[Duuude007]

Soooo... about that official announcement that beta counts as the free trial period for PC users...

(tapping foot)

Does it exist, or what?

...(crickets chirping)...


...uh, hello?

[*]- October to November 2012 – Reinstate limited free trial period for PC version
OCCURS IN THE OFFICIAL TIMELINE BEFORE
[*]- Commence PlayStation®3 system closed beta test

That is your answer. It is official, and it remains true.

Thank you. At least some folks have eyes.

[Abriael]

Thank you. At least some folks have eyes.

Some folks are indeed willing to support a clear misrepresentation of reality made in order to prove a false and disingenuous point.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Wait a minute, I re-read the document, and if anything it means the people who wrote it said that we should be getting a free trial of the game while PS3 is going through it's closed beta phase. It doesn't say anything about the PC version going through a free trial stage during it's beta stages. In fact, if anything, it states a free trial stage given to players before the "official" release of the game.

Still absolutely nothing about beta being counted officially as the free trial period for PC players. Oh well...

[Duuude007]

Some folks are indeed willing to support a clear misrepresentation of reality made in order to prove a false and disingenuous point.

I know, why won't that Abriael guy quit it?

Obviously the timeline he is using as evidence shows free trial as before OR the same release day as PS3 beta. That makes his whole argument fall apart, unless he ignores that official detail.

Edit: not to mention it is all subject to change.

Okay, well

Yeah, that is also worth mentioning.

/thread.

[Abriael]

Still absolutely nothing about beta being counted officially as the free trial period for PC players. Oh well...

According to the Square Enix Defense Force they went out of their way to call the PC beta "free trial", while calling the PS3 Beta "Beta". Which is obviously ludicrous, because it lacks any kind of communication consistency and clarity, and doesn't address the fact that you can't offer a "free trial" of something that is already free, and betas are free for everyone.

[Abriael]

Obviously the timeline he is using as evidence shows free trial as before OR the same release day as PS3 beta. That makes his whole argument fall apart, unless he ignores that official detail.

Timings have changed all over the place, so they're pretty irrelevant. What's definitely relevant is that they call the PC free trial a "free trial" while they call the PS3 beta a "beta", which completely destroys your argument, and obviously shows that the PC free trial isn't a beta.

/thread.

Unfortunately for you, a thread isn't closed just because you say it is. As much as you'd like it very much, I'm sure.

[Duuude007]

According to the Square Enix Defense Force they went out of their way to call the PC beta "free trial", while calling the PS3 Beta "Beta". Which is obviously ludicrous, because it lacks any kind of communication consistency and clarity, and doesn't address the fact that you can't offer a "free trial" of something that is already free, and betas are free for everyone.

Are you the developer?

Where is this supposed MMO developer rulebook you seem to be quoting?

If SE calls it a trial, its a trial.

[SkyeWindbinder]

According to the Square Enix Defense Force they went out of their way to call the PC beta "free trial", while calling the PS3 Beta "Beta". Which is obviously ludicrous, because it lacks any kind of communication consistency and clarity, and doesn't address the fact that you can't offer a "free trial" of something that is already free, and betas are free for everyone.

That's the part that's so freaking confusing! What the kupo are they talking about!?

Beta is beta, free trial is free trial. They're not making any sense! It just... (sigh)...

...Brb, I'm going to get some Advil.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Are you the developer?

Where is this so-called developer rulebook you seem to be quoting?

If SE calls it a trial, its a trial.

Unless it's a beta. Then it's a beta. Let's call a thing a thing, eh?

Also, I still see no evidence of them calling the beta period the official free trial period for PC users.