An Eorzean Timeline.

[NoloeTazier]

Now I'm wondering if the whole affair with the Order of the Fist of Rhalgr was actually stirred up behind the scenes by Gaius.

It would be genius.
Stir up trouble, lead a city to topple its own strongest military force, give them a few (5) years to mop up or exile the remnants of the order, get them properly complacent with a little misguided diplomacy and then just waltz on in with the army you've had ten years to establish while they were occupied with internal banter.
FTW!

I know right, that would actually be an amazing plot for the Ala Mhigo storyline. I can see SE navigating that kind of road as well. A 'crazy' Holy See in Ishgard and a power-hungry 'King' in Ala Mhigo. Definitely covers those bases of storylines people can really get into.

Topic wise, I'm not sure if we'll learn about all the Astral and Umbral Eras, but I atleast expect to learn about the Third Astral and the Fourth Umbral as they pertain to the Allagan Empire. So hopefully atleast those gaps can be filled in by interesting Lore and dates. I feel like a lot of information will come from Ishgard and it's Library and the city or ruins that are left of Sharlayan...that's if the Circle of Knowing doesn't tell us the things first or atleast what they know about the Astral and Umbral Eras. Then again they might know nothing, but I feel like Urianger was in a little inner-circle with Louisoix that Thancred, Yda, Papylamo, and Y'Shtola were not.

[Sabi]

Could it be that we are all of Allagan descent? After the destruction of the Allagan empire the remaining survivors could have spread out all over Hydalean and then after some time people migrated to Eorzea.


Ps. anyone get Battlestar Galactica vibes from FFXIV's lore? XD

[Mjollnir]

Could it be that we are all of Allagan descent? After the destruction of the Allagan empire the remaining survivors could have spread out all over Hydalean and then after some time people migrated to Eorzea.


Ps. anyone get Battlestar Galactica vibes from FFXIV's lore? XD

I like that better than my current theory that Hydaelyn popped us into existence at the very start of the first cutscene and for some reason we had just never questioned it.

[Anonymoose]

Could it be that we are all of Allagan descent?

I question it somewhat. Read the race biographies for Elezen and Hyur on the NA site. We're told that the Elezen were the sole inhabitants of Eorzea until the Hyur migrated in what was akin to invasion. The Hyur have been in Eorzea for a thousand years. That's nothing; the Sixth Astral Era alone was 1,572 years - and the Allag were destroyed in the Fourth.

There's a pretty good chance that all of the Allag were Elezen.

[NoloeTazier]

Could it be that we are all of Allagan descent? After the destruction of the Allagan empire the remaining survivors could have spread out all over Hydalean and then after some time people migrated to Eorzea.


Ps. anyone get Battlestar Galactica vibes from FFXIV's lore? XD

Doubt it. Chances are the Allagans were a tribe of Elezen. Van Darnus is suppose to be of Allagan descent and he's one big guy. Also chances are the original wandering tribe(s) were Hellsguard Roegadyn or an Elezen tribe. The Duskwight Elezen seem very capable builders, having built Gelmorra a vast city under the Twelveswood/Black Shorud, something that could be attributed to the Allagans. There's no history of the Elezen (right now) of the migrating to Eorzea so it could be interpreted that they've been here for a very long time.

The Allagans built the Sunway and Starway roads in Thanalan, near present day Ul'dah, so it's speculated the Allagan Empire capital was around this area, an area that is also in close proximity to the ocean and trade. With the destruction of the Allagan Empire in Thanalan, it would make sense for surviving remnants to seek shelter in the Twelveswood. Which would bring about the whole Duskwight and Wildwood Elezen that we have today.

Edit: Anonymoose beating me to the punch once again!

[Catapult]

With the destruction of the Allagan Empire in Thanalan, it would make sense for surviving remnants to seek shelter in the Twelveswood. Which would bring about the whole Duskwight and Wildwood Elezen that we have today.

Careful - the distinction between Wildwood and Duskwight did not exist till the foundation of Gridania, which came much later.

But otherwise it appears I am not needed...

[Sabi]

Ahh i see, somehow i had it in my head that the Allagan Empire was outside Eorzea and that Eorzea was uninhabited. Reading comprehension fail! thanks for replies.

[NoloeTazier]

Careful - the distinction between Wildwood and Duskwight did not exist till the foundation of Gridania, which came much later.

But otherwise it appears I am not needed...

Yeah that's what I'm saying "which would bring about the whole Duskwight and Wildwood Elezen we have today." Kinda funny that the Elezen people would found Gridania, if they were indeed ancestors of the Allagans and the Empire existed in Thanalan, and the Lalafell would found Ul'dah and Sil'dih.

[Myranda]

I question it somewhat. Read the race biographies for Elezen and Hyur on the NA site. We're told that the Elezen were the sole inhabitants of Eorzea until the Hyur migrated in what was akin to invasion. The Hyur have been in Eorzea for a thousand years. That's nothing; the Sixth Astral Era alone was 1,572 years - and the Allag were destroyed in the Fourth.

There's a pretty good chance that all of the Allag were Elezen.

But is it not true that the miqo'te came over the frozen seas during a previous umbral era? If the hyurs were the first immigrants to Eorzea, certainly they must have do so well before 1000 years ago, at least before the miqo'te migration.

[NoloeTazier]

But is it not true that the miqo'te came over the frozen seas during a previous umbral era? If the hyurs were the first immigrants to Eorzea, certainly they must have do so well before 1000 years ago, at least before the miqo'te migration.

The Hyur are actually the newest race to Eorzea. When the first Hyur appeared in Eorzea, Ishgard was being founded. The Miqo'te came over in the Fifth Umbral era when the seas were frozen, 1500+ years ago. Nonetheless the Hyur and Elezen clashed, there's no wars reported until the Autumn War almost 1000 years later since the first Hyur stepped foot on Eorzea.

Essentially I think it looks like this:
Elezen -> Hellsguard Roegadyn -> Lalafell -> Sea Wolf Roegadyn -> Miqo'te -> Hyur.

Reason why I separate the Hellsguard and Sea Wolf Roegs is because the Hellsguard Roegadyn seem to have established themselves in the mountains of the north and learned the ways of magic, which I assume would take years and years of work and practice for a non-magical race to just learn the basics of magic. While the Sea Wolf Roegydan are simple Pirates and would have only chosen to live in Eorzea after (or during) Limsa Lominsa was founded.

I assume Lalafell have been in Eorzea BEFORE the seas flooded over because Shatotto and the Thaumaturge were already established in Eorzea when she created the Stardust Rod. Also Plainsfolk Lalafell loved to farm the soil on Vylbrand so I have to assume Limsa Lominsa is established as well...possibly by the Lalafell ships? Elezen established Gridania, Lalafell established Ul'dah, and Lalafell established Limsa? Limsa Lominsa was probably a collective of Roegydan and Lalafell.

Edit: Which actually brings up a huge question for me. The Archons are suppose to be reincarnated Twelve, Thancred is a member of the youngest Eorzean race the Hyurs. Louisoix and Urianger are Elezen and Elezen have long life spans than the other races of course for them to be 1500+ years old and have caused the Sixth Umbral era seems a little farfetched. But this is a time in Eorzea when Hyur are nowhere to be seen. So we're looking at Thancred and Yda..2 Hyur who's race has only been in Eorzea at the longest for 1000 years. If the Archons are reincarnated over and over as the same person, just a speculative example being Louisoix as the new silver-haired Elezen boy, how could 2 Hyur become Archons. So the 'real' reincarnation has to be: The Circle of Knowing choose the next reincarnated person or the Twelve's "soul" itself is born again in a new body regardless of the race.