FFXIV Bahamut vs. WoW Deathwing - Who Wins?

[Ikkenoe]

Ridiculous argument.

When Hurricane Katrina slammed into Louisiana...

Why are you bringing up real life examples in real life context when, earlier in your rant, you went out of your way to underscore that this wasn't about real life, but simply two imaginary dragons?

It would, if that were actually what I was arguing, and not just some strawman you conjured up

Chill out.

I realize you're trying to split hairs here and draw arbitrary differences between the events, but you're just grasping at straws.

No, seriously. Chill out.

And here again you're grasping at straws, using real-life details to explain away lore-related events.

It's okay when you do it, though. P.S., Chill out.

Because this is a discussion forum and we're having a discussion? Because this thread doesn't rely on your agreement or disagreement of the topic at hand?

Discussion doesn't rely on your agreement or disagreement with his posts, either. A few of you seem to get this twisted.

Because the thread can continue and people can continue to discuss and debate it whether you're involved in it or not? Because it wasn't created for your sole benefit?

You speak of straw men, yet readily conjure them yourself. He clearly doesn't say anything about, nor attempt to imply, that the forum or the discussion has anything at all to do with him or his benefit. The point seems to be that there's no such thing as discussion and no real point of having a "discussion forum" if everyone is expected to agree.

What are you even going on about at this point? Seriously.

No, really. People are going to disagree with you sometimes. You should really chill out.

[Ikkenoe]

Well, aren't you a ray of sunshine....

I'm not trying to be a buzzkill. I'm only trying to point out what seems like a fairly obvious problem to quite a lot of players who exist on the outskirts of the in-game and forum cliques and mobs.

A Realm Reborn is being designed to appeal to a wider audience, which means such a problem would only grow exponentially. So if people want to tout community as the primary reason for Final Fantasy MMOs having the draw and staying power that they do, this is simply a poor way to demonstrate as much.

Granted, I didn't quit as early as I did because of the community. I quit because the game was awful. I hadn't even used the forums until I came back to poke around toward the end of the original game client. But once I did check out the forums, what I've seen hasn't been very positive.

It seems like MMO High School where people's ideas are accepted or denied based on their forum popularity,where forum popularity is largely tied to liking all the same things, where you aren't allowed to go against the grain without having an entire mob of angry people chase you down. Especially if those ideas are about any non-FF games.

It's really no different at all from other forums with active communities... but isn't this game supposed to be different? Doesn't seem so.

Anyway, if the posts I'm already getting are any indication... nothing will change. So I'll crawl back into my hole for a few more months.

[SkyeWindbinder]

You seem unfamiliar with the definition of the word debate, or you simply want to put negative spin on it when it suits you. Either way, I urge you to look it up. I shouldn't have to post it.

And you don't.

Debate - To engage in argument by discussing opposing points

Which is exactly what fusional was trying to do. Start a serious debate about something completely light-hearted and silly. And that was completely unnecessary.

What is the point of this thread if not to argue about two completely arbitrary things in relation to one another? How is it not "debate" or "arguing" when it comes to you? How are the other posters not participants in a debate, and how are they arguing for the sake of anything else but arguing? What other reason would they be arguing? Is there a prize to win that I'm unaware of?

I don't know. Maybe you should ask fusional. lol

Anyway, there is absolutely nothing wrong with arguing any point on a thread. But there's a time and place for any kind of argument. This thread is obviously not a serious one. One where people are arguing who would win in a match against a dragon and a can of coke, no less. It's supposed to be fun and silly. And fusional came onto it calling people "biased" for what they posted. I don't know whether that was because fusional has no sense of humor, is too much of a deathwing fan to allow even a joke thread like to exist without becoming angry, or is simply trolling. Whichever it was, the comments really were a bit of a proverbial wet blanket on the thread. And I called fusional out for it. Sorry if that makes you unhappy.

Why try to use negative spin and inflection in response to one particular poster in spite of being guilty of all the same yourself?

Calling someone out for dragging down a fun thread with unnecessary debating may seem negative to you, but that depends on how you look at it. For instance, a positive way to look at it could be that fusional has actuall learned not to try to derail a fun thread with unneeded vitriol. That may be why they haven't posted in it for a while. Don't know WHY you had to drag up this conversation again. Find something else to do, for pete's sake. lol

I guess it's only 'just conversation' if they agree with you.

What about the fun back-and-forth I had with another person on this thread about Dr. Who vs Thancred? The one where we loled while backing one or the other, neither of us resorting to bitter vitriolic words like "uncategorical bias"? lol Yeah, we disagreed, yet still had fun with each other, and it was still 'just conversation'. Silly conversation at that. (We all know Dr. Who would own Thancred, but I'm not about to let someone down-talk my boy)

Now, wanna let this subject drop? We got the thread back on track, here. Don't need it derailed again.

[Kallera]

I wonder if people have suggested something like this matchup or similar on Death Battle?

Death Battle is a web series on Screw Attack which sorta matches up characters in a death match a la "Deadliest Warrior", Goku vs. Superman being one of many matchups they've done.

I have a question.

Name another Dragon that would be a good matchup (as in it can actually go either way) against Bahamut.

Bonus if your answer is not Tiamat.

[SkyeWindbinder]

I wonder if people have suggested something like this matchup or similar on Death Battle? I have a question.

Name another Dragon that would be a good matchup (as in it can actually go either way) against Bahamut.

Bonus if your answer is not Tiamat.

Bahamut would get so owned.

[Mjollnir]

Name another Dragon that would be a good matchup (as in it can actually go either way) against Bahamut.

I did 25 posts ago, but no-one cared :'(

[Rowyne]

Name another Dragon that would be a good matchup (as in it can actually go either way) against Bahamut.

Bonus if your answer is not Tiamat.

As Gumbercules suggested, if we're keeping within Azerothian lore, Galakrond would be a more suitable match for Bahamut:

Think the closest dragon in WoW lore to the FF 14 Bahamut would probably be Galakrond, and even then id be one hell of a fight hehe.

Galakrond, The Father Of Dragons: A massive proto-dragon who was the "progenitor of dragonkind". From him, the Titans created the Aspects. His size alone was greater than all of the Aspects combined. He was said to be extremely evil and attempted to destroy the other proto-drakes, forcing the five colors to unite to defeat him. The leaders of each color of proto-drake became the Dragon Aspects.



Deathwing was merely one of the five Dragon Aspects. Galakrond was a bad mamma jamma.

[Solace]

This thread was fun.. Last week. Now you Miserable people who love company, have ruined it..
/thread..

[Fantasia]

This thread was fun.. Last week. Now you Miserable people who love company, have ruined it..
/thread..

You use... far too many... ellipses...

But I agree with your statement.

[Preypacer]

The readily apparent mob mentality in these forums has always made it difficult for me to understand how anyone seriously believes this community is better than any other. Anyone who can spend just a few minutes in this thread and still not see it plain as day are simply too caught up in it themselves.

It's toxic.

Mob mentality? You mean most people agreeing on Bahamut being the victor in such a contest, and sharing their reasons why?

And as for negativity, where this thread is concerned, you might want to take it up with the author of this post. They brought the negativity into this thread with their snarky and entirely unnecessary opening remark.

You seem unfamiliar with the definition of the word debate, or you simply want to put negative spin on it when it suits you. Either way, I urge you to look it up. I shouldn't have to post it.

What is the point of this thread if not to argue about two completely arbitrary things in relation to one another? How is it not "debate" or "arguing" when it comes to you? How are the other posters not participants in a debate, and how are they arguing for the sake of anything else but arguing? What other reason would they be arguing? Is there a prize to win that I'm unaware of?

Why try to use negative spin and inflection in response to one particular poster in spite of being guilty of all the same yourself?

I guess it's only 'just conversation' if they agree with you.

Errr....

Skye isn't referring to the debate taking place in this thread. They're referring to the bogus debate fusional is attempting to stir up in the closing remarks of their response to one of my posts. Skye's remarks, which you responded to, were in response to me asking fusional what the hell they were even going on about. Skye's take on it was that fusional was just looking to argue for the sake of argument at that point, which was a very astute observation, as they were ranting on about something that wasn't even happening.