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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenaku View Post
    FFXIV ARR is better but offers nothing new or unique to the MMO world. It the same old cut and paste stuff from other games just in a Final Fantasy setting.

    FFXIV ARR really have noting new to bring to the table. FATE is from other game rift also have it. CS/Story telling FFXI does it so does many other games. PVP every mmo on the market have it. House many other mmo does this and many F2P go crazy with the housing system.

    So at the end there noting to bring back new player base it's just copy/paste from other games put in ff setting like i said. Don't get me wrong FFXIV ARR look great i love how it turning out but sadly there noting to bring new players and make them stay in FFXIV without them leaving soon as there game get a new patch.

    Let's hope most of us are wrong and yoshi-p does have new stuff they just not telling us but that just wishful thinking.
    no matter where we are blinded FF Fanboy will keep defending really hard with their favourite sentence such as "this is beta/ faith/ etc". i was one of them but not anymore until i tried several MMOs out there in this break time.. this is really standard MMO with Final Fantasy setting. i agreed with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavell View Post
    no matter where we are blinded FF Fanboy will keep defending really hard with their favourite sentence such as "this is beta/ faith/ etc". i was one of them but not anymore until i tried several MMOs out there in this break time.. this is really standard MMO with Final Fantasy setting. i agreed with you.
    ya i was that type of person also. But right now there really noting that would hook new players. I'm hook because i'm legacy got relics and been playing sense release and there really no other game in the market i like. But to make sure this game never goes F2P it need to do great at day one of ARR release but so far it's just mmo standard in a final fantasy setting.

    I can't wait to we get to beta3/4 and get to see what the game really have to give from other citys.
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    Wada may not have been fired, but his demotion from CEO is sufficiently significant that it still fulfills the financial requirement that "heads roll". Shrewd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavell View Post
    no matter where we are blinded FF Fanboy will keep defending really hard with their favourite sentence such as "this is beta/ faith/ etc". i was one of them but not anymore until i tried several MMOs out there in this break time.. this is really standard MMO with Final Fantasy setting. i agreed with you.
    You may want to review your definition of "standard" because it sounds like yours is quite skewed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    You may want to review your definition of "standard" because it sounds like yours is quite skewed.
    lol It's okay, Abriael. In some people's opinion, if you're not one of the people predicting doom and gloom about a game, you're simply a hopeless fanboy. Or rather, it may not be their opinion as much as it is their way of initiating Transparent Copout #83. And it's fine, if that's the only way they have of getting their point across, then okay. But knowing this, do you really think they're worth wasting your time replying to? Pfft, in the heydays when we used to go at each other, we both gave better arguments than that. And I was 75% trolling! lol

    Look, you know the game may fail. I know the game may fail. We all know that. But from what I've seen, the game should do fine. That's a guess (not a prediction, a guess) made by me based on what I know about the game so far. Some people think that because the game isn't bringing 12,000 new things to the table (and yes, that's an exaggeration, just pointing that out before Captain Obvious shows up, lol) that the game may be destined to fail. I think that's silly. IMO, it's not if everything's "new" or "revolutionary" that's going to make this game a success or failure. It's whether or not the features being brought to the table are liked and welcomed. And so far, there really haven't been a lot of people complaining about them.

    In the end, until the game is released and we've all had enough time to see how the game will do in the long run, we're really all just shooting in the dark. Right now, we can only judge based on what we've seen so far. What I've seen so far has me pumped. Some people, not so much. But then again, you have to wonder what they're doing on the forums of a game they believe will be a colossal failure. But let's not go there. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    I used the same exact analogy in a thread somewhere else. Saying something like, "Ah man, Ford made the same 4 wheel car as Chevy! D:" Or something like that lol. I think on a special forum. >.> *coughcough* directed at all the people starting threads about it failing because it's the same as other mmos. There is a form they must fit here. MMOs all share many characteristics. Much like smart phones, cars, computers, etc. Microsoft released Surface. Yes, it is to combat Apple's iPad. It is not a clone. It is a competitor with features that make it a tablet computer. You can't change it too much. You can't have a built in keyboard, for example. That would make it a laptop. You can't take the MMO features out of an MMO. It wouldn't be an MMO anymore. All MMOs share these key features and characteristics. That's what makes them....MMOS.
    A lot of ground has already been covered in the MMO world, so it's very difficult to find something so drastically new that people notice. Nowadays, just like all of the examples you gave, it's a matter of doing it all better.

    Also, I don't think SE is going to ultimately drop ARR. FF is their main series, and if they were to abandon even one numbered title, they might as well abandon all of them. If anything, I think if ARR doesn't work they'll continue to support it, but avoid making future MMOs. The same goes for social games. They'll simply stop making more.

    Of course this is just my hopeful thinking, but I'm still very optimistic that nothing will change for ARR's development.
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    first off, Yosuke Mutsuda was one of the members of the board of directors. Yoichi Wada will probably take over his old job. We will just have to wait and see when they update this page here.

    As far was what FFXIV ARR brings to the table. It brings a Final Fantasy story. Which is what the point of the game is supposed to be. No other company can make a Final Fantasy game, without being sued, but Square Enix. version 1.0 failed launch because of game systems being unbalanced, lack of content, and lack of really being "Final Fantasy." At this point, I think all of those issues have been addressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post

    "Oh rift has this", "Wow has that" These lines are so tired.
    I hate most fighting games because they all use punches and kicks. That's soooooooooooooooooo Street Fighter II.
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    When you have a problem, and the current set of solutions aren't working for you, it can be a productive thing to have a new and fresh pair of eyes to take a look at why. That's exactly what is happening at SE. I hardly doubt that he would dismiss Yoichi Wada's opinions and inputs, either, simply because he hasn't had huge success in solving that issue He has kept the company going since 2003 (and Square before that since late 2000) and I wouldn't be quick to think he's not valuable to them at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firesped View Post
    As far was what FFXIV ARR brings to the table. It brings a Final Fantasy story. Which is what the point of the game is supposed to be. No other company can make a Final Fantasy game, without being sued, but Square Enix. version 1.0 failed launch because of game systems being unbalanced, lack of content, and lack of really being "Final Fantasy." At this point, I think all of those issues have been addressed.
    I always thought that ARR was being made to bring the Final Fantasy back to Final Fantasy XIV, and to restore faith and trust in the series which is incredibly important to Square. Whether it's a "standard MMO" or something else doesn't seem to be the important thing right now to SE, and that's completely fine. The original v1.0 tried to be something else and it didn't go well.

    I don't see any issue with ARR arising as a result of Wada stepping down. On the off-chance that there are any issues, and it is decided not to continue ARR, I'm pretty sure that decision will be made very carefully and for the best of the company. That's ultimately the plan on any decision, to help the company survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenaku View Post
    CS/Story telling FFXI does it so does many other games.
    Like the entirety of the Final Fantasy series. But of course, that makes it not unique, risking failure.

    /shakesherhead
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