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  1. #61
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    If anyone has become Odin, I suspect it is actually Louisoix, but I don't intend to dig too far into that one today. I also think Alexander is Bozja Citadel, but again, I don't see a need to re-hash that idea right now. You guys have been talking about Darnus while I've been away on an Easter vacation, so I seem to have a backlog on commentary to clear.

    Interpreting historic texts in Eorzea is annoying. Just look at the seventh verse of the prophecy by Mezaya Thousand Eyes. It wasn't until after the fact that we properly understood what was meant.
    I suspect Nael is a victim of his own lineage in a simmilar way.

    If House Darnus guarded the secrets of Ancient Allag, their libraries would be difficult to decipher at best. A warning of "be prepared for when Dalamud breaks" could have easily been misinterpreted as "prepare the breaking of Dalamud."
    Now combine this with a brutally ambitious man who wants to ride his knowledge to the top, and you have a recipe for danger. What begins as a "let's drop the bomb" theory then slowly changes as Nael gets his hands on a rosary and Bahamut starts getting into his head, doing the dragoon thing to him. His mind is slowly taken over, although his ambition and naïvite made him susceptible in the first place.

    The restoration of the land after just five years still buggs me, but we do know that this part of the story was delivered to us incomplete. We're supposed to learn about the events between our sending-off and the end of Lou & Bahamut's battle while exploring the labyrinth, so I'm witholding judgement here for a while.

    What I want to do is pull out that Elemental prophecy and take another look at it. Swethyna's analysis may have been premature.
    When white wings hie from distant east, a maid of steel to bear,
    Shall darkling sky shed tears of fire, and veiled ones know despair.
    The white wings from the distant east can easily be considered Van Darnus from Garlemald, who has advanced suddenly and swiftly from the east.
    Bearing a maid of steel could refer to their magitek weaponry, but I'm not sold on that interpretation.
    A menacing sky emitting meteor fragments - that third part slots in well.
    Veiled ones? Are they the elementals, or possibly even the Twelve themselves?

    Either way, it is a very morbid prophesy those elementals brought. More of a message to prepare for the worst, rather than a call to arms.
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  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    I don't want to say he couldn't have for sure, because the rules of the universe would fold in on themselves to make me look like an ass in the next trailer, but:

    a) It seems implied that Odin was the primal the Garleans bumped into shortly after the 1557 conquering of Ala Mhigo, long before the children of that city were indoctrinated into the Empire and used to staff the legion that Nael would later be assigned to lead into that theatre.

    b) During an interview, when asked of van Darnus, Yoshida-san gave a pretty confident, "He's dead." and left it at that.
    Yeah, I didn't mean Nael was technically around anymore... but rather that his lifeforce was consumed to re-awaken Odin somehow... It just seems to me that Odin and Bahamut are somehow joined. In my brain that means it's either Nael that connects them or Louisoix. And while maybe Louisoix could also become Odin...his 'astral-ness' or goodness doesn't seem to fit. In the CS trailer they released (the one that joins the fall of Dalamund events to this new era), when we see Odin, he's in the woods...and I don't know why I think this, but it seems like he sees the player in an 'I know you sense' He's not really attacking us. He just stops to look. Most other primals are shown in a battle context. This+ reading through this thread is mostly where my random thought came from...I totally agree it's probably crazy talk.

    But if Nael was 'consumed' in order to bring Odin back into the world, it would be true that as Yoshi P says 'He's dead.'. Cause, he is. As to Odin being a Primal bumped into before by the Garleans...something made him go away, and something made him come back.

    Again, it was just a random 'what if...' I fully expected there would be reasons why that was an absolutely retarded thought I had...just didn't know what those reasons were (figured I'd at least be told why if I suggested it). Which I was
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catapult View Post
    What I want to do is pull out that Elemental prophecy and take another look at it. Swethyna's analysis may have been premature.

    The white wings from the distant east can easily be considered Van Darnus from Garlemald, who has advanced suddenly and swiftly from the east.
    Bearing a maid of steel could refer to their magitek weaponry, but I'm not sold on that interpretation.
    A menacing sky emitting meteor fragments - that third part slots in well.
    Veiled ones? Are they the elementals, or possibly even the Twelve themselves?

    Either way, it is a very morbid prophesy those elementals brought. More of a message to prepare for the worst, rather than a call to arms.
    The maid of steel is the Gunhalberd.

    [Van Darnus's] Weapon: Bradamante―a gunhalberd said to be named for a warrior maiden he slew.
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  4. #64
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    I'm inclined to agree with Cata, though for a different reason. Odin has blue eyes and has a blue aura in the forest concept art. In mythology he fights for the gods and in Eorzea the Twelve are the gods and the Twelve are blue!. To me that aligns him closer to that of Louisoix than Nael. Anyone wanna bet he will show up close to the Gelmora ruins? after all he loves ruins and abandoned castles =P

    "a maid of steel to bear" oooo i bet it's refering to Gaius, A maid of steel (an Empire airship) to bear(to bear witness)

    edit: no fair hiir =(
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    Last edited by Alaltus; 04-03-2013 at 11:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiirNoivl View Post
    You have to speak to the NPC fromt he Monk Quest called "Erik"

    He talks about Sil'dih and how they tried to make a cheap war by reviving dead soldiers. But it went wrong and they ended up having an FF version of the Walking Dead.

    It's all ingame text.
    *late response* WOW! I thought the whole thing was some elaborate fanfic! That's really interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    I'll save you Yoshida!

    /casts Raise

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