Power supply for 25.00. Sketchy, much?

[JillyBean]

Wow I am really surprised to hear I should have the PSU in the same position at the bottom with fan facing the floor. The corsair demo video you linked showed that PSU fan facing up. at the newegg page it shows my PSU upside down in every pic.

Thanks again, im sure I'll have more questions!

[Coris]

Most of the newer cases got the PSUs at the bottom. That's what I found out when I was looking for a new one last year. My old case had it on top too, that's why at first it seemed pretty strange to me to put it elsewhere.
Before I put it in, I asked friends and colleagues if it would be okay to let the PSU's fan point at the bottom. They said it would be fine.

The case I bought got a detachable dust filter too and to add some extra space between the case itself and the carpet (the feet of the case are already pretty 'high'), I 'borrowed' four felt patches from my Mom which she uses on chairs and the like to go easy on our wooden floor in the living room. Works pretty well ^^
I clean the filter every now and then but if you own pets (especially cats), I'd recommend to clean it more often than I do °.°

[Shura]

I have a Thermaltake TR2 600 Watt. I had to replace my old one on my old rig 2 years ago, so I made the mistake of going to bestbuy and buying one. Its been reliable so far, but I really want a higher quality built one. as for GPU. I have a EVGA Nvidia GTX 550 Ti. I'm also wanting to upgrade my video card at some point in time, but its not that important at the moment.

Ok so lets start with the power supply; Since you asked for a high quality PSU, i'll link to some good 80+ gold and Platinum ones; of course the 80+ Bronze and Silver are good too so if you find the ones below to be expansive then let me know and i'll refer you to some Bronze and Silver models.

80+ Platinum
Seasonic SS-760XP2 ATX, This is a Platinum PSU and comes with 7 Year warranty and sells for $179
Corsair AX760, Everything on this is identical to the one above, in fact its the same PSU built by Seasonic for Corsair. Also comes with a 7 Year warranty and and sells for the same price of $179

I did not link any 600W+ versions since there seems to be an issue with the platinum models.

80+ Gold
Seasonic X650, 80+ gold, Modular and sells for $119
Corsair HX650, Modular, 7 year warranty and sells for $119, $99 after rebate.
Seasonic X750, Same features as the 650 but is on sale so is also $119
Corsair AX750, same features as the others, sells for $149, the HX model is also Gold but is $10 cheaper.
Corsair AX850, 850W, same features and sells for $169 this is a sale price so its the same price as the HX version.
Seasonic X850, This too is also on sale for $159 and comes with a $20 rebate.

I personally don't think you need Platinum, Gold is pretty high end as it is. I suggest you go with 750W and up, this will future proof you when you upgrade GPU or if you decide to sli/crossfire. Also note that there are other PSU manufactures but i don't have much personal experience with other brands. If these prices are to expansive, we can go with 80+ Silver or Bronze.

Whenever I think of Mid-towers all I can think of is mine lol. Its tiny. I know Mid's come in bigger dimensions, but I dont know they just dont seem to have a lot of room. Thats why I want to go Full, I figure the more room, the more fans the better it cools. I'll have to research more.

Thats fine, If you like the Phantom design then i suggest the 630 over 820, both are full towers and the test review i posted earlier shows that the 630 preforms better then the 820. Other options include Thor V2, or the Full Tower HAF cases. Another case thats been getting good reviews is the Thermaltake Chaser MK-I, this is a full Tower case and supports new hydro coolers like the H110 by corsair.

Which coolers did you provide the pictures of? I see a lot of stuff for AM3, but next to nothing for AM3+. I dont know if an AM3 cooler would work on an AM3+.

Closed Loop Liquid Coolers:
Corsair H60 2013 Edition - $79
Corsair H90 - On sale for $89. If you get a case that has a rear 140mm fan, then i recommend going with the H90 over the H60.
Corsair H100i - $124
Corsair H110 - arguably the top closed loop liquid cooler on the market. Sells for $129 but due to the design, most old cases will not support this. If your interested, then let me know after you pick a case and i'll find out if its supported. The Phantom 630 is Supported.
Nzxt Kraken X40 - Similar to the H90 by Corsair, uses a 140mm fan and mounts on the rear. Current price is $99 and tests show it tends to be louder then the H90. I would recommend the H90 over this model since its cheaper.
Nzxt Kraken X60 - Currently competes with the H110 for the top spot, like the X40 the fans on these are louder then the Corsair models. Currently on sale for $99 and this one does fit in a Phantom 630.

These are it for air coolers, since your going full tower i would recommend something like the H110 or H100 over the smaller models.

AIR:

Xigmatek Dark Knight II Night Hawk Edition - This is a good Air Cooler for its size, its not really small but not insanely huge like some of the other ones. It won't proform as well as the really huge air coolers or the liquid but it does in the same range. Sells for $49
Noctua NH-D14 - In the top 5 air cooler range, comes in a push/pull setup with Noctua fans so tends to the quiet. Is on sale for $79
Deepcool Assassin - This is the one with the green fans in the above pic, also one of the top 5 air coolers. Unfortunately these are not on newegg so i don't have a price for you.

I'm heading out but i'll look up a few more Air coolers if thats what you choose and want more options. Also the AM3 and AM3+ use the same design so anything that supports AM3 will fit AM3+.

[Dhalmel]

Ok so lets start with the power supply; Since you asked for a high quality PSU, i'll link to some good 80+ gold and Platinum ones; of course the 80+ Bronze and Silver are good too so if you find the ones below to be expansive then let me know and i'll refer you to some Bronze and Silver models.

80+ Platinum
Seasonic SS-760XP2 ATX, This is a Platinum PSU and comes with 7 Year warranty and sells for $179
Corsair AX760, Everything on this is identical to the one above, in fact its the same PSU built by Seasonic for Corsair. Also comes with a 7 Year warranty and and sells for the same price of $179

I did not link any 600W+ versions since there seems to be an issue with the platinum models.

80+ Gold
Seasonic X650, 80+ gold, Modular and sells for $119
Corsair HX650, Modular, 7 year warranty and sells for $119, $99 after rebate.
Seasonic X750, Same features as the 650 but is on sale so is also $119
Corsair AX750, same features as the others, sells for $149, the HX model is also Gold but is $10 cheaper.
Corsair AX850, 850W, same features and sells for $169 this is a sale price so its the same price as the HX version.
Seasonic X850, This too is also on sale for $159 and comes with a $20 rebate.

I personally don't think you need Platinum, Gold is pretty high end as it is. I suggest you go with 750W and up, this will future proof you when you upgrade GPU or if you decide to sli/crossfire. Also note that there are other PSU manufactures but i don't have much personal experience with other brands. If these prices are to expansive, we can go with 80+ Silver or Bronze.



Thats fine, If you like the Phantom design then i suggest the 630 over 820, both are full towers and the test review i posted earlier shows that the 630 preforms better then the 820. Other options include Thor V2, or the Full Tower HAF cases. Another case thats been getting good reviews is the Thermaltake Chaser MK-I, this is a full Tower case and supports new hydro coolers like the H110 by corsair.



Closed Loop Liquid Coolers:
Corsair H60 2013 Edition - $79
Corsair H90 - On sale for $89. If you get a case that has a rear 140mm fan, then i recommend going with the H90 over the H60.
Corsair H100i - $124
Corsair H110 - arguably the top closed loop liquid cooler on the market. Sells for $129 but due to the design, most old cases will not support this. If your interested, then let me know after you pick a case and i'll find out if its supported. The Phantom 630 is Supported.
Nzxt Kraken X40 - Similar to the H90 by Corsair, uses a 140mm fan and mounts on the rear. Current price is $99 and tests show it tends to be louder then the H90. I would recommend the H90 over this model since its cheaper.
Nzxt Kraken X60 - Currently competes with the H110 for the top spot, like the X40 the fans on these are louder then the Corsair models. Currently on sale for $99 and this one does fit in a Phantom 630.

These are it for air coolers, since your going full tower i would recommend something like the H110 or H100 over the smaller models.

AIR:

Xigmatek Dark Knight II Night Hawk Edition - This is a good Air Cooler for its size, its not really small but not insanely huge like some of the other ones. It won't proform as well as the really huge air coolers or the liquid but it does in the same range. Sells for $49
Noctua NH-D14 - In the top 5 air cooler range, comes in a push/pull setup with Noctua fans so tends to the quiet. Is on sale for $79
Deepcool Assassin - This is the one with the green fans in the above pic, also one of the top 5 air coolers. Unfortunately these are not on newegg so i don't have a price for you.

I'm heading out but i'll look up a few more Air coolers if thats what you choose and want more options. Also the AM3 and AM3+ use the same design so anything that supports AM3 will fit AM3+.

You forgot the Swiftech H220, the best water AIO considering what you can do with it.
http://www.swiftech.com/h220.aspx

[Kirei]

Thank you for the information. I have noticed that my voltages arent what they should be. I have CPUID HW Montior running and the ASUS suite II up usually all the time. (Asus is always giving me warnings but I've read the program isn't all that great.) But here is my SS of what CPUID says all the time.



If I am reading it right, none of the voltages are reading 12, 5, 3.3 etc. They are all lower. I'm not sure if thats normal or not.

[Dhalmel]

Thank you for the information. I have noticed that my voltages arent what they should be. I have CPUID HW Montior running and the ASUS suite II up usually all the time. (Asus is always giving me warnings but I've read the program isn't all that great.) But here is my SS of what CPUID says all the time.



If I am reading it right, none of the voltages are reading 12, 5, 3.3 etc. They are all lower. I'm not sure if thats normal or not.

Software voltage measurements are never accurate, and it's normal for it to be slightly below or above the rated rail voltage.

[Dhalmel]

Oh I noticed some mod moved this to the Technical Support board yet it's on GD. Strange

[Shura]

You forgot the Swiftech H220, the best water AIO considering what you can do with it.
http://www.swiftech.com/h220.aspx

It does have a few advantages that the other AIO liquid coolers lack but i didn't recommend it for a few reasons; value to performance wise, i don't think its worth it. It sells for around $140+ but falls behind the X60 which is $99(sale price) and the Corsair H110 which goes for $129. Though some tests do suggest that if you replace the fans to Noctua then it performances on par or a bit better then the X60 and H110. Also reviews have suggested compared to other coolers, the pump on this one can be really loud. Finally because Kirei is reluctant as it is to consider Liquid cooling; Its a great cooler no doubt bu the H220 is really a bridge for people who want to go from closed loop to full out water cooling.

AnandTech Tests
Overclock3D Tests
Linus Video Review - This one shows it preforming better then the others but only after switching to Noctua(2x$30). He says before he switched fans, it fell behind some air coolers.

Thank you for the information. I have noticed that my voltages arent what they should be. I have CPUID HW Montior running and the ASUS suite II up usually all the time. (Asus is always giving me warnings but I've read the program isn't all that great.) But here is my SS of what CPUID says all the time.

If I am reading it right, none of the voltages are reading 12, 5, 3.3 etc. They are all lower. I'm not sure if thats normal or not.

Kirei i apologize but i'm having a hard time reading your image, would it be possible to post a bigger version and also; one during idle and another during load? Thank You.

[Kirei]

I'll have to do it later tomorrow. I have to get some sleep and work tomorrow, but I'll keep you posted.

[Shura]

Wow I am really surprised to hear I should have the PSU in the same position at the bottom with fan facing the floor. The corsair demo video you linked showed that PSU fan facing up. at the newegg page it shows my PSU upside down in every pic.

Thanks again, im sure I'll have more questions!

Intake fans should always try to get the coolest air available, its one of the main reasons newer cases have the PSU mount at the bottom with hole for air flow. Facing your PSU towards the bottom will give you access to air from the outside as opposed to facing it up where you get warm air from inside the case. Though in a well vented case, it won't make much of a difference if the temp inside the case is the same as outside; since the 400R is a Mid-tower and you have access to a bottom mount, might as well use it.