Seriously 3-5 minute repop on NMs?

[Gracious]

The monsters that were introduced recently will be for low to mid ranked players in the future. They are items you can not buy so you have to do a little more effort to gain them. I don't see a problem with fast spawn times on them. I'm going to guess this is not gear that end - gamers will be wanting in the future. It's nice gear that the average player can wear and have a bit of fun to gain it. After camping many NM's on 11 such as VE, Stray Mary, Leaping Lizzy, etc., etc., etc., and wasting much time to get a low level item, I welcome this change in SE.

[Betelgeuzah]

I am all for that. I just don't want excessively short repop timers for the stronger NMs. I don't want to be able to fight Jormy every 2 hours. That takes away from the experience, at least for me.

With what I said, how is that even possible? With the preparation time and the difficulty of the encounter, you don't just go up there whenever you want and start pounding away. You aren't fighting Jormy every 2 hours, even though it might be up.

And when the encounter does become routine and you can choose to fight it over shorter timeframes, at that point the experience is no longer there. It has become routine. You don't want to be faced with tedious waiting when it becomes routine.

[Clydey]

Greatly lovered chances to fight the mob -> Greatly lowered accessibility.

That isn't what you said. You said I was suggesting reducing accessibility for other paying customers. It would be the same for everyone.

As already said, there's no escape from that. In effect, by advocating a mechanism that considerably lowers the chances to get to fight a mob, you lock out people from the chance to fight it and enjoy content that should implemented for everyone.

Like I said, everyone would have the same chance to claim it. No one is being excluded here.

[CrystalWeapon]

I have explained that it's about scarcity. To some people, the rarity of these fights is part of the appeal. It's not part of the appeal to you, and that is absolutely fine. But like I said, it is pointless vilifying those who do enjoy that aspect of the game. It is all about personal preference. I can beat you over the head with that I like all day, but it won't change what you like. No one is wrong here.

True, it's all personal preference. Like most arguements on preference it will come down to who is the minority. Like any other issue you can't please one group without upsetting the other. We'll see what they decide on when god level NMs are added.

[Clydey]

With what I said, how is that even possible? With the preparation time and the difficulty of the encounter, you don't just go up there whenever you want and start pounding away. You aren't fighting Jormy every 2 hours, even though it might be up.

And when the encounter does become routine and you can choose to fight it over shorter timeframes, at that point the experience is no longer there. It has become routine. You don't want to be faced with tedious waiting when it becomes routine.

You keep hammering home your point as if your preference should be my preference. We clearly do not value the same things in an MMO.

[Betelgeuzah]

Like I said, everyone would have the same chance to claim it. No one is being excluded here.

Except those who don't claim it.

You keep hammering home your point as if your preference should be my preference. We clearly do not value the same things in an MMO.

Who the hell cares about preferences, I want a good game for the majority of the people and that means somebody's preferences are going to be ignored. Yours, unfortunately.

[Clydey]

Except those who don't claim it.

Which could just as easily be me.

Who the hell cares about preferences, I want a good game for the majority of the people and that means somebody's preferences are going to be ignored. Yours, unfortunately.

Everyone cares about preferences. What do you think you are promoting here? Your own preferences, of course.

[Lyndis]

Tougher Notorious Monsters are very welcome. Also it's great if an item is rarer than more common. People say that everyone is going to have it at some point because it's an MMO. People played FFXI for years and never got dalmatica and that was an NM drop. When you saw dalmatica it was impressive. There were a lot of things like that in FFXI. There were also a lot of alternatives so that people who didn't have as much time could get stuff as well. It just made things more varied.

But still I don't think the issue with notorious monsters is how tough or challenging it is, or how rare it's item is. I really feel it's the repop. When an NM that has a rare pop time due to something like lottery spawn and maybe an hour respawn and you see it, it makes your heart jump. The feeling made fighting leaping lizzy exciting even though it takes five hits to kill. I was trying to get a Thalassion Targe and all I did was kill Slippery Sykes twenty times (not exaggerating). The fight was incredibly boring and still took much longer than an hour to finally get my drop.

[KoontaKintay]

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[Betelgeuzah]

Which could just as easily be me.

Uh-huh. If it can be avoided it should be avoided.

Everyone cares about preferences. What do you think you are promoting here? Your own preferences, of course.

Yes, and part of that promotion is to make up valid reasons for my preferences to be picked instead of yours. And if at this point all you can come up with is "my preferences are not any worse than yours" without backing it up in any way, I think everyone has seen enough regarding which preference is the superior preference. Yes, opinions are not created equal, and if you can't think up anything convincing to promote your preference, you have lost.