FFXiV LOve Story Bastok's Legacy

[Lady]

Don't get me wrong, normally all you guys have me ROFL with your other posts. Its just these responses to some guy who doesn't have the skills to impress you, are mean. Telling him he's stupid, or that his video is nonsense isn't something that has to be said. Let the guy enjoy doing what he does.

[Vilhem]

Don't get me wrong, normally all you guys have me ROFL with your other posts. Its just these responses to some guy who doesn't have the skills to impress you, are mean. Telling him he's stupid, or that his video is nonsense isn't something that has to be said. Let the guy enjoy doing what he does.

That's what I tried to say in the other thread...because he honestly contributes to the chaos with his condescending remarks and personal insults to people who just mean well.

If he doesn't CARE, and just wants to create for the sake of creating, then there is no point to leaving nasty replies or even posting his work on here. You don't need a public audience to keep you doing something you enjoy. The fact that he posts here, indicates he wants some kind of feedback, but seemingly only wants to hear the praises, and resorts to personal and sometimes unintelligable condescending response to anyone who doesn't say "OMG GREATEST WORK EVER!!!!"

I used the "ivory tower" as a metaphor (its used in academia to refer to those academic elitists who only consider the opinions of those in their innermost circle, ie. the ones who "understand" them..and that's IF they seek opinions at all)

I was wondering if he would even pick up on the meaning since he was throwing around how intelligent he was, and of course he didn't understand it. Instead he took straight for the collar on my avatar's picture, said something about how I was misguided that the color of ivory was somehow unpure, therefore I was not as intelligent as he was...then made derogatory statements about the male gender despite the fact I am not even male.

[Stephen]

I understand where you're coming from Lady, but I've read most of Bastoks posts and what Vilhem says is true.

If you click Bastoks name then check his previous posts you'll notice that he has been rude and talked down to a lot of people whilst constantly displaying his astronomically sized ego.

Brought this on himself in my opinion.

(for the record I've taken part in the name calling, but if you can't take it then don't give it)

[Lady]

Brought this on himself in my opinion.

(for the record I've taken part in the name calling, but if you can't take it then don't give it)

And how does that make you any better than him? It makes you equal to him.... The gamer culture was never like this before. We always just accepted each other as we were, if someone was an RP'er that was fine, if someone cosplayed that was fine, if someone was of a different race, language, or color, that was fine, our politcal views, while they may be discussed never made us hate each other. And if someone posts a video that they think is amazing and wants to share it with everyone, it didn't lead to people trying to take down the persons "astronomical ego."
Our only fights were about how to play our games....
Sad that those days are gone.

[Vilhem]

If you think this is just in the gamer community, then you are mistaken.

It's in every subculture, every fandom, in every place conceivable on the Internet. And it's here to stay. The Internet has given the people a "voice", and that voice is not always used in the best mindset. People feel proud of their "niche", it gives them reason to be "unique".

People laugh at me for making storylines out of my characters, so what, though. I don't have to justify my reasons for enjoying it every time someone says "omg u r lame u make storys for ur characters". That is the best way to go about any fandom.

Now, I have a ton of videos I've created that I personally think are awesome. Does that necessarily mean they're fit for public consumption? No. Same for some of my drawings. I'd rather post the stuff I know people will genuinely enjoy, rather than be like a lot of people on Facebook spamming shit only they think is good, ie "Hey look here's 50 pics of my AWESOME lunch!" Same with my character storylines: I have not bombarded this forum with my fanfiction or my fanart related to my fanfiction specifically because I know not everyone (majority I'm guessing) is not into that. I am not afraid of the comments though, should I ever decide to post it on here. Just haven't felt it was "ready" just yet, to display to the public. >.>

Also, if you noticed, I left Bastok alone after my last reply to him, before the other person even said "it's useless arguing with him". At first, I wanted to see if he was reachable (kinda like how I'm reaching out to you for better understanding). He chose to stay on his island. So be it. But he can't remain on the island forever, not if he wants to be better at what he wants to do.

[Lady]

rather than be like a lot of people on Facebook, ie "Hey look here's 50 pics of my AWESOME lunch!"

And I still think it would be wrong to call that person stupid for posting what they want to post.

[Zehira]

And I still think it would be wrong to call that person stupid for posting what they want to post.

Well, I never do any personal attack others and I still wanna play a roleplay myself. Does it make me look like a bully?

[Vilhem]

It's stupid in the sense that when you post something, you're expecting the "audience" to have the same affection and enjoyment that you are...but the majority will be turned off after awhile.

It's the same as posting pictures of your pets, your flowers etc, that only you have a personal affection for. Sure there's cat lovers, gardeners, but majority of the people will be like "yep, just another cat/flower". And lets not talk about the quality of the pics themselves. It's the first rule of Photography; don't photograph things that are personal in the mistaken sense that your audience will be touched in the same way.

This thread is testament to the reactions of Bastok's first failure; and yes I call it a failure because I watched the video before I was influenced by any of the comments. It was not very well done, if I can put it in the kindest words. It lacked any sort of coherence..it was just a bunch of clips thrown together to a song that was repeated about 5 times (the song itself lasted 5min or so). His video, like I mentioned above, was of a personal nature to him, and it fell short on the audience because the audience does not have any personal attachment to any of the characters.

Just like in a book or a movie, you have to MAKE your audience care about those characters. In his video, he did not. But hey, if he just wants to do it for the sake of doing it, then that's all well and dandy. But to come off as "my video was such a success! I am highly intelligent!" is not a way to gain a fanbase for any future works you may want to produce seriously.

Not trying to attack you or anything like that btw. I am speaking for myself with these remarks. I am always always trying to help people who want to be creative, but one of the first things you have to learn about it is to be able to take constructive criticisms and feedback, and to NOT take it personally.

Sorry if I come off as attacking though, it is not my intent. /soapbox

[Bowen]

Let me break it down for you all really fast:
- Bastok posts a horribly made video.
- People respond, telling him that it didn't make a lot of sense and criticized his editing.
- Bastok responds and acts as though he is above everyone else and goes on some incomprehensible rant.
- People try to reason with him at first, but then just laugh at him and get more annoyed every time he says something about them being inferior.
- This goes back and forth for a while, and then he makes many more threads for more videos. Apparently they're about some love story he has with another character.
- Everyone points and laughs at him.
- He responds again, and everything is repeated.
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[Lady]

It's stupid in the sense that when you post something, you're expecting the "audience" to have the same affection and enjoyment that you are...but the majority will be turned off after awhile.

It's the same as posting pictures of your pets, your flowers etc, that only you have a personal affection for. Sure there's cat lovers, gardeners, but majority of the people will be like "yep, just another cat/flower". And lets not talk about the quality of the pics themselves. It's the first rule of Photography; don't photograph things that are personal in the mistaken sense that your audience will be touched in the same way.

This thread is testament to the reactions of Bastok's first failure; and yes I call it a failure because I watched the video before I was influenced by any of the comments. It was not very well done, if I can put it in the kindest words. It lacked any sort of coherence..it was just a bunch of clips thrown together to a song that was repeated about 5 times (the song itself lasted 5min or so). His video, like I mentioned above, was of a personal nature to him, and it fell short on the audience because the audience does not have any personal attachment to any of the characters.

Just like in a book or a movie, you have to MAKE your audience care about those characters. In his video, he did not. But hey, if he just wants to do it for the sake of doing it, then that's all well and dandy. But to come off as "my video was such a success! I am highly intelligent!" is not a way to gain a fanbase for any future works you may want to produce seriously.

Not trying to attack you or anything like that btw. I am speaking for myself with these remarks. I am always always trying to help people who want to be creative, but one of the first things you have to learn about it is to be able to take constructive criticisms and feedback, and to NOT take it personally.

Sorry if I come off as attacking though, it is not my intent. /soapbox

Nah not coming off as attacking at all. Actually enjoying a good debate with you ^_^ And I like the way you stated you didn't like his video, you said exactly what was wrong with it.
Its the other "your stupid" comments that I find mean, or calling him crazy, or stating that he has no business posting what he wants to post that's just bullying. that's not right imo. He can post what he wants. Constructive criticism is fine. The name calling is not, its mean and demeaning to both parties.