Paladin vs Warrior - ARR better set roles!

[Aion]

maybe it also related to playstyle

to play PLD, it means that you need to take attention at mitigating damage and holding hate also, while using warrior, what you need to do is mostly DPS. hence it looks like playing WAR as tank is easier.

[Andrien]

so when paladin shines on anything with a modicum of difficulty, and warrior is in actuality only used more for easier content- how is this really an argument against paladin? in pre-abyssea FFXI warriors and sams and monks tanked easy stuff all the time.

in virtually any MMO, whenever you have content that doesn't require a lot of healing people will try to get away with using fewer and fewer defensively-tuned classes to squeeze in more dps for faster kills. that's life.

you guys can't see the forest for the trees.

the problem isn't paladin, it's a lack of content which favors or requires it. (ie: challenging stuff)

I agree with your last sentence but, you're not seeing the big picture. PLD main and only role is tanking. In my opinion even if its the most easiest to hardest of things, PLD should be first choice for any situation. It is clearly not like that.

[fusional]

maybe it also related to playstyle

to play PLD, it means that you need to take attention at mitigating damage and holding hate also, while using warrior, what you need to do is mostly DPS. hence it looks like playing WAR as tank is easier.

optimizing dps through a proper WS rotation is also essential to holding hate as PLD

In my opinion even if its the most easiest to hardest of things, PLD should be first choice for any situation. It is clearly not like that.

why? because it's paladin? is it the only tank in the game? no. so if it isn't the only tank in the game, why should it be preferred in every situation? if it's preferred in every situation, why bother having any other tanks? it's redundant.

[Andrien]

why? because it's paladin? is it the only tank in the game? no. so if it isn't the only tank in the game, why should it be preferred in every situation? if it's preferred in every situation, why bother having any other tanks? it's redundant.

Did you bother to read that piece fact in my post, or just want to net pick on my opinion?

I'll word it differently. Since PLD job is good at one thing only which is tanking, it should be first choice for a PT to fill in that role. Not just shine in a select few contents.

[fusional]

Did you bother to read that piece fact in my post, or just want to net pick on my opinion?

I'll word it differently. Since PLD job is good at one thing only which is tanking, it should be first choice for a PT to fill in that role. Not just shine in a select few contents.

and i'll repeat myself. if one job is always first choice for all content, why have any other jobs? if black mage is first choice for dps in all situations, why have dragoon or monk at all? what's the point in giving people options if the choice is only illusory?

[xXHalloweenTrixXx]

and i'll repeat myself. if one job is always first choice for all content, why have any other jobs? if black mage is first choice for dps in all situations, why have dragoon or monk at all? what's the point in giving people options if the choice is only illusory?

The fact is Warrior is good at DPS as well as Tanking. While Paladin is only good for one thing, tanking. So Warrior can fit variety of roles while Paladin only has one.

I guess that's why I never liked Hybrid classes in mmorpgs, they always step foot on other classes and make things unbalanced. Nothing is wrong with variety of tanks but if a hybrid class can be chosen over another class thats sole role is IS to be a tank, something is wrong.

[Altena]

The fact is Warrior is good at DPS as well as Tanking. While Paladin is only good for one thing, tanking. So Warrior can fit variety of roles while Paladin only has one.

Wrong, that's an opinion not a fact. The true fact is WAR is "ok" at DPS and "ok" at Tanking easier content. While PLD is *fantastic* at tanking EG content.

I guess that's why I never liked Hybrid classes in mmorpgs, they always step foot on other classes and make things unbalanced. Nothing is wrong with variety of tanks but if a hybrid class can be chosen over another class thats sole role is IS to be a tank, something is wrong.

Then you can look at it on the other side of the foot. They don't specialise in anything specific so they are never in high demand. Those who enjoy playing them don't get to play them very often in content that matters when other jobs are more "optimal" at this. This brings out the "other jobs do it better, so why use it?" mentality.

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To be honest I think we will see even less WAR's in dungeons come 2.0, as PLD is the preferred / better tank in EG content, and rumour has it switching jobs in a dungeon is not going to be possible.. Unless there is a huge change in battle mechanics, or a change of job description for WAR (either make it a blood tank or a heavy DPS) then I can't see them being useful for much aside from farming and EXP parties unfortunately.

[Duelle]

The fact is Warrior is good at DPS as well as Tanking. While Paladin is only good for one thing, tanking. So Warrior can fit variety of roles while Paladin only has one.

I guess that's why I never liked Hybrid classes in mmorpgs, they always step foot on other classes and make things unbalanced. Nothing is wrong with variety of tanks but if a hybrid class can be chosen over another class thats sole role is IS to be a tank, something is wrong.

All it would take to even things out is decide where to take WAR and go from there. If you make it a pure DPS then introduce another tank class to fill the spot left vacant by WAR. If you want it to tank then you have to adjust WAR, PLD or both so that one can stand in for the other without creating a fuss when putting a group together.

[Andrien]

and i'll repeat myself. if one job is always first choice for all content, why have any other jobs? if black mage is first choice for dps in all situations, why have dragoon or monk at all? what's the point in giving people options if the choice is only illusory?

You still don't understand, and you're missing the point. I'll give you a scenario this time.. If you cant find a PLD, then you have a second choice. WAR, a good backup tank that has the ability to DD.

Your analogy for other DD jobs is not a valid point either. Each of them plays differently. MNK has elemental attacks, and DRG has potent critical hit rates. BLM has the ability to DD and sleep stuff, but their DEF sucks and they're limited to MP and a small amount of HP. I shouldn't have to be explaining all this.

I'm not going to speculate about 2.0 because I don't know how jobs are going to change. However from my experience of 1.0 whatever a PLD can do, a WAR can do it better. Except for a select few contents.

So, I beg the question. What else is PLD good for? What about Warrior? Make a comparison.

[Altena]

However from my experience of 1.0 whatever a PLD can do, a WAR can do it better. Except for a select few contents.

All of your DD's must suck. But your sig is hilarious so I have to give you props for that.

I'm over trying to convince people living in Feb 2012 that WAR is no match for a good PLD.