Paladin vs Warrior - ARR better set roles!

[Shougun]

I won't quote because I am lazy but..

Yeah I did basically say how WAR is basically a hybrid DD / Tank.. Doesn't compare to the other more specific jobs.

But yes when I talk about jobs, I talk about a job in its entirety, with all abilities and traits (ie level cap / end game). EXP parties I will admit, PLD has always been pretty trashy but in saying that - I don't really consider that to be where the job really defines itself. I mean MNK is almost as good a tank as WAR and GLD if you are talking about EXP parties.. At that sort of level / stage you don't want extremely defined roles as it allows very little flexibility.. However the EXP system is changing dramatically so there goes that anyway..

TBH I don't want WAR to be a tank. I would much rather see them more as a brute DD - slow, heavy attack speed, high damage and sure some AOE / devastating weaponskills. They should be a heavy AoE DD whereas at the moment they are far too "inbetween".

I think a few more enmity / damage mitigation skills for PLD would be enough but to be honest I think it is rather working as intended :/

Well they should just make WAR as you said then lol, I wouldnt mind him either way slow heavy hitter or a rage tank. But I also believe that PLD shouldnt be seen as total blow except for bosses >.> lol. Or WAR seen for blow except for large groups of trash mobs.


I mean PLD for caravan? LOLOLOL

[Altena]

I mean PLD for caravan? LOLOLOL

Any melee + caravan was garbage in comparison.
The worst thing about 1.x caravan & melee was having to get enough TP for a weaponskill before the mobs died. Once those mobs died, you are back to 0 TP. Obviously won't be the case in 2.0 but any melee was as bad as PLD in caravan IMO.

Well they should just make WAR as you said then lol, I wouldnt mind him either way slow heavy hitter or a rage tank.

In my opinion, due to a limited job selection we have 1 too many tanking style jobs. Current content is capped at 8 players, which leaves room for truthfully only 1 tank in the party (aside from cutter's perhaps). You can never really have too many different types of DD's in any shape and form because there are so many ways you can "deal damage". Tanking however is rather limited, and their are limited slots in an 8 person party for a tank (1).

[Shougun]

Any melee + caravan was garbage in comparison.
The worst thing about 1.x caravan & melee was having to get enough TP for a weaponskill before the mobs died. Once those mobs died, you are back to 0 TP. Obviously won't be the case in 2.0 but any melee was as bad as PLD in caravan IMO.

Melee is bad compared to mages but I've seen some ok melee - however I think a gatherers wrist flick would have done more then paladin lol


But I can see it not being the best example lol


How about this: -any- leve that didnt involve a boss.

In my opinion, due to a limited job selection we have 1 too many tanking style jobs. Current content is capped at 8 players, which leaves room for truthfully only 1 tank in the party (aside from cutter's perhaps). You can never really have too many different types of DD's in any shape and form because there are so many ways you can "deal damage". Tanking however is rather limited, and their are limited slots in an 8 person party for a tank (1).

Yeah you dont want to flood the market, I'm not sure 2 tank options would do that but you can always have more dps :P

I think the tanks just need a way to bump up their DPS enough that no one is like dammit PLD could you slow us down any more? In MOBAs most tanks can also deal a decent amount of damage - "tanky dps" being that almost annoying term to hear lol.