I also read how 360 was nixed to xbox live. I get mad with xbox live, I never really wanted it but I think it's silly I have to give microsoft another $60 a year to play my netflix when I don't have to with any other console netflix is a part of. That being said it would also fustrate me to pay them to play for 14 and im pretty sure I never needed Xbox live for my XI 360 disk.