NINJA...New Pet Class!

[Forgo]

So you are saying PLD should suck at tanking until end game? Thats stupid. PLD is the tanking class, at any point in the game they should be a superior tank. PLD needs to be included in the scheme of leveling up.

i agree a good pld didn't need much healing since they are self healers when they bottomed on mp thats when the whm is needed

[fusional]

So you are saying PLD should suck at tanking until end game? Thats stupid. PLD are the tanking class, at any point in the game they should be a superior tank. PLD needs to be included in the scheme of leveling up.

can you possibly stop being obstinate for the sake of it for a moment and think about what you're saying? the only time PLD ever sucked at tanking was before NA release, and NIN tanks hadn't even been discovered then. they were GREAT tanks all the way up through endgame- they just didn't lend themselves to exp parties as well as ninja for obvious reasons, which made ninja the fad preference in exp for obvious reasons.

they were never "excluded" from the scheme, they just weren't preferred. kind of like how whm were never "excluded" from healing, but rdm became preferred after a while- for the same basic reason nin was preferred over pld. you can't go around trying to "fix" certain jobs to account for efficiency or player preference in specific situations or you just end up endlessly "fixing" every single job over and over throughout the life of a game leading to new gaps and disparities that need to be fixed.

why? because people constantly change and adapt. so let them, and stop crying.

because in the end, people STILL needed and wanted whm, and people STILL needed and wanted PLD. just because they weren't the most efficient in EVERY GIVEN SITUATION that didn't make them broken, sucky or useless.

stop sensationalizing, kiddo.

[Forgo]

oh no, the casuals and baddies rising up from the ashes of FFXI past are facepalming at me. whatever shall i do?

the game would have to be dead first for there to be ashes to rise up from and btw nin tanks need more healing then plds because once shadows go down they are paper towels with knifes and die pretty quick if left unchecked (trust me i've seen it many a time)

[fusional]

the game would have to be dead first for there to be ashes to rise up from and btw nin tanks need more healing then plds because once shadows go down they are paper towels with knifes and die pretty quick if left unchecked (trust me i've seen it many a time)

you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. trust me, i've seen your argument many a time.

[Shougun]

can you possibly stop being obstinate for the sake of it for a moment and think about what you're saying? the only time PLD ever sucked at tanking was before NA release, and NIN tanks hadn't even been discovered then. they were GREAT tanks all the way up through endgame- they just didn't lend themselves to exp parties as well as ninja for obvious reasons, which made ninja the fad preference in exp for obvious reasons.

they were never "excluded" from the scheme, they just weren't preferred. kind of like how whm were never "excluded" from healing, but rdm became preferred after a while- for the same basic reason nin was preferred over pld. you can't go around trying to "fix" certain jobs to account efficiency in specific situations or you just end up endlessly "fixing" every single job over and over throughout the life of a game leading to new gaps and disparities that need to be fixed.

why? because people constantly change and adapt. so let them, and stop crying.

because in the end, people STILL needed and wanted whm, and people STILL needed and wanted PLD. just because they weren't the most efficient in EVERY GIVEN SITUATION that didn't make them broken, sucky or useless.

stop sensationalizing, kiddo.

PLD should always be the prefered tank, that is their entire purpose.

If they aren't good at their purpose and they aren't balanced at other purposes like dealing significant damage, then they do suck in light of other options -hence a preference not to choose them. Also I played NA release and the choice to choose NIN over PLD happened all the time.

So stop being obstinate and stop sensationalizing kiddo, its unbecoming.

[Forgo]

you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. trust me, i've seen your argument many a time.

lol no i do i had to sud tank as mnk a lot for so called nin tanks..if i didn't pull hate (i subbed war btw) at the right time they hit the dirt hard...

also by the way ppl talk about nin any dd job can tank if its true...why not? I tanked as DRK before and MNK so why can't all DD jobs become tanks if NIN can? why not?

[vax]

I don't think PLD shouldn't be the only tank, and because is called Paladin shoudn't be the superior tank of the game. PLD tank on exp during XI were fine, some PT went better with PLD than NIN, also a lot of time when you got a nin tank the party could work without NIN or PLD. I had a set with a cor friend, me being rdm, and we just made the party w/o tank fighting colibri from 37 on East Ronfaure and moving to Toau at 55.

Anyways, i'll love to see another tank job with another mechanic, like NIN, but not using shadows, i don't know how, but having low defense but another tools to keep on. Paladin should be the tank of the light, maybe dark knight can be a tank too, using his dark magic to drain HP and using powerful WS that drain mob HP.

[Forgo]

I don't think PLD shouldn't be the only tank, and because is called Paladin shoudn't be the superior tank of the game. PLD tank on exp during XI were fine, some PT went better with PLD than NIN, also a lot of time when you got a nin tank the party could work without NIN or PLD. I had a set with a cor friend, me being rdm, and we just made the party w/o tank fighting colibri from 37 on East Ronfaure and moving to Toau at 55.

Anyways, i'll love to see another tank job with another mechanic, like NIN, but not using shadows, i don't know how, but having low defense but another tools to keep on. Paladin should be the tank of the light, maybe dark knight can be a tank too, using his dark magic to drain HP and using powerful WS that drain mob HP.

lol i did tank as drk and the party rocked XD

[Shougun]

I don't think PLD shouldn't be the only tank, and because is called Paladin shoudn't be the superior tank of the game. PLD tank on exp during XI were fine, some PT went better with PLD than NIN, also a lot of time when you got a nin tank the party could work without NIN or PLD. I had a set with a cor friend, me being rdm, and we just made the party w/o tank fighting colibri from 37 on East Ronfaure and moving to Toau at 55.

Anyways, i'll love to see another tank job with another mechanic, like NIN, but not using shadows, i don't know how, but having low defense but another tools to keep on. Paladin should be the tank of the light, maybe dark knight can be a tank too, using his dark magic to drain HP and using powerful WS that drain mob HP.

I dont think PLD should be the only tank but it should be the main tank. He is limited to this role in usefulness - its not like you can be like oh we need a decent healer lets take the PLD, he was only ok enough to sort of take care of himself. Literally everyone was better at his sub roles then him, so his only main role - tanking..

In a matter of balance, he should be the star.

"I suck at everything but tanking"

and then someone says its logical to make some scenarios where another job is better them him? ..worst logic ever.

sub tanks, sure even a whm can sub tank load them up with stoneskin and phalanx lol.

[fusional]

lol no i do i had to sud tank as mnk a lot for so called nin tanks..if i didn't pull hate (i subbed war btw) at the right time they hit the dirt hard...

also by the way ppl talk about nin any dd job can tank if its true...why not? I tanked as DRK before and MNK so why can't all DD jobs become tanks if NIN can? why not?

okay, and what about shitty PLD tanks? right. okay then.

and how can you even attempt to compare the two as if they're in any way equivalent? DRK and MNK do MORE damage than NIN, but lacks the tools to TANK. tanks manage and control enmity and mitigate damage. DRK and MNK or any other DD don't "manage" or "control" enmity. they spike it wildly. and they certainly don't mitigate damage.

you can give them nin sub for shadows to help mitigate damage, but then their enmity control is even worse.

that isn't tanking.

you guys are hurting my head, man.