2013 a year of MMO

[Abriael]

so its also really "stupid" and awkward from the thread opener to call it a "WoW" because of alpha videos.
oh there are quests in it. its WoW ^! ya know.. its o yah.. wee.. its the only thing which is activated in alpha yet.

Absolutely. The game already has plenty distinguishing features from WoW and other MMORPGs. Of course ignorant people are so convinced that WoW defines the MMORPG genre, that nowadays every feature that is simply a staple of the genre is called an indication of a WoW clone.

It's borderline childish, but people do it. Hell, even professional journalists with hundreds of thousands of readers sometimes do it (because they're a lot less smart than they think they are). Can't really be surprised if the mob follows the example. They have been educated to do so.

[Firon]

I have to disagree to a point. There is only 1 weapon that can't kill a monster in Monster Hunter Tri and after, the guns both light and heavy.

In Monster Hunter 2nd G, you could kill any monster as fast as any other weapon, but in Tri and others after. The developers nerfed the crap out of it. You couldn't hold that many bullets anymore, and they were greatly reduced in damage. I ran out of time trying to kill a Gold Rathian with the best gun I had.

Altreon in Tri, took me 20 minutes even with a good group doing the sleep/megam bomb + stratgey. In Portable 3rd when they brough Bow back, me and my friend took him out in 5 minutes.

Gun is a terrible weapon in that game now.

you can kill ala with Clust shot in 3 mins or less on tri <.< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROih1uK5Xpc

Anyway about the subject FFXIV is gonna be fine WoW numbers wont happen again even for an FF mmo.

[Elexia]

I'm not saying that FFXIV:ARR will be this massive hit with the MMO community, it'll still have it's niche. But to say that either of those games is legitimately going to be more interesting is asinine.

Yes you are actually saying this with this very sentence. Especially since TES has a huge following that's just as big if not bigger than FF's following, not to mention FF is more popular in the west than it is in Japan...so even if TESO flops, it'd still do better than ARR if SE's goal is just to make it fit in rather than stand out.

[Warlock]

Yes you are actually saying this with this very sentence. Especially since TES has a huge following that's just as big if not bigger than FF's following, not to mention FF is more popular in the west than it is in Japan...so even if TESO flops, it'd still do better than ARR if SE's goal is just to make it fit in rather than stand out.

You sure sound to have issues with FFXIV lol yet you enjoy lurking here ...can't tell anymore what are you trying to achieve by trash-talking the game and been down-syndrome-one-track-stuck-mind about it been WoW-clone , the game certainly wont become FFXI-2 so you better give up on that..the game IS standing out as there is no game out there that looks like it and i'm liking what i have seen of it so far

[Elexia]

You sure sound to have issues with FFXIV lol yet you enjoy lurking here ...can't tell anymore what are you trying to achieve by trash-talking the game

It's really not standing out, but if you want to fall into that delusion, more power to you kiddo. SE has to worry about the people not impressed by ARR rather than the 16k people left from 1.0 that will be moving onto it. Remember, if XIV is this amazing game you're making it out to be, it wouldn't have lost the grand majority of it's people even as a F2P game where you had to pay at maximum $10 to play and not even have to deal with a cash shop.

Think about that. You can be as delusional as you want about ARR, but it's still a Failed MMORPG in the eyes of many and if you deny this, you sure seem ready to jump to SE's defense at every turning point when something negative is said about it..the reason 1.0 failed.

"It's just an alpha/beta!"

Something Yoshi, the guy you're praising, says was also a problem.

[Abriael]

It's really not standing out, but if you want to fall into that delusion, more power to you kiddo. SE has to worry about the people not impressed by ARR rather than the 16k people left from 1.0 that will be moving onto it. Remember, if XIV is this amazing game you're making it out to be, it wouldn't have lost the grand majority of it's people even as a F2P game where you had to pay at maximum $10 to play and not even have to deal with a cash shop.

Think about that. You can be as delusional as you want about ARR, but it's still a Failed MMORPG in the eyes of many and if you deny this, you sure seem ready to jump to SE's defense at every turning point when something negative is said about it..the reason 1.0 failed.

"It's just an alpha/beta!"

Something Yoshi, the guy you're praising, says was also a problem.

Actually the buzz about ARR, both between the gaming press and the general public has been very positive lately. Even a tad too positive maybe.

I don't think Warlock is the one harboring delusions in this case, and you most definitely seem as biased as he is, just on the other side.

The reason 1.0 failed has nothing to do with its fans or defenders, but simply with the fact that it was developed following lopsided concepts and released way too early.

[Elexia]

What the hell is Wizardry online? lol Nevermind, I'll look it up.



Once again, I really don't know why people call games WoW clones when, in truth, WoW was not really the first MM of it's kind to do things the way it did. (Everquest, anyone?) The only thing with WoW was that it was watered down in accessibility so any Joe and their soccer mom could play it. So calling a game a WoW clone for it's features is pretty pointless, since WoW is hardly ground zero of it's kind of MMOs. Just my humble $0.02.

It comes from the fact people who play WoW going around praising it as if it was one of the first MMOs to ever exist. Throw in the fact developers constantly say they need to look at it and get influenced by it is also the problem. It goes beyond influence to pretty much being the same exact game with a different storyline.

Clone is used for the lack of a better word by people and the reason the majority will call a game a WoW Clone is because the developers state they used it "as an influence" thus people end up falling into the:

1. Can it compete with WoW.
2. Can it kill WoW

type of mindset when they shouldn't and that's the other reason new MMOs start failing because people go in thinking that and when they find it to not be a complete replica of WoW, they go back to it. Taking base systems is one thing, but only doing that is why people come to the "clone" conclusion. That's the reason we had different styles of MUD/MMOs back in the day because they tried different things that worked, now there's only "one way to do it or you're doing it wrong."

[Abriael]

What the hell is Wizardry online? lol Nevermind, I'll look it up.

No. Really. Don't.

[SkyeWindbinder]

No. Really. Don't.

Too late. Already did. Sorry I didn't get the warning sooner. -.-

Oh, look! A watered down Dungeons and Dragons! Yippee Skippy!

[Abriael]

! A watered down Dungeons and Dragons!

I wish it was.