[Reminder] Are you ready to cry again? (2° Wave of Alpha invites tomorrow, 3 dec.)

[Abriael]

I'm not doubting you, but I have to take that with a grain of salt because what's done is done. Moreover this "sizeable" part that got left out....what are you basing that on? Surely you not taking anecdotal evidence from the forums to suggest that the users here, vocal as they are, represent the entire playerbase of 1.0? Alpha being limited as it was, was destined to see a great many players not enter it and on top of that what entitles active customers to dibs? If anything, it should be a general mix of player types and not an attempt to give already interested players a way to keep on playing. I just don't understand and being that I've been around since original launch I think I'm qualified to speak on being around already and what we ought to get for that.

What entitles active customers to dibs? Besides what Square Enix themselves said in the application form (They're the ones that set the expectation), the fact that those active customers supported the game until now, while inactives chose not to. It seems pretty logical to me.

Also, that "sizable" comes from several forums, several social networks, and other personal sources. I don't pull percentages out of my rear, but the fact that the number of active customers excluded so far (who knows, they might still surprise us on monday, but I'm not holding my breath) is sizable is definitely a fact.

SE had motives behind inviting inactives to alpha. I don't like it, but I can understand. Don't really know why everyone else ignores why they might have done that. I still believe a great deal of players who were in 1.0 got in too. I don't think it hurt other than the feelings of those who felt SE would cater to those of us who were already 100% in.

I don't ignore it. I'm quite sure I know all the motives why they may have invited inactives in the alpha. Knowing those motives doesn't mean I won't disapprove the motives or the decision. That kind of accounts, in my opinion, fit much better into a beta than into the alpha.

Without mentioning the obvious fact that if you want to invite inactives, you simply don't go on record saying that they aren't eligible to apply.

Except you yourself said you only responded when attacked. I WILL find it in the pile of shit Unless of course, you've ninja edited it away.

Nope. I didn't say that. I said that in 99% of the cases I respond to other people's posts. Which aren't necessarily attacks to me. The largest percentage of my responses are about opinions, to people sharing their opinion. Not to attacks towards me.

One of the mains reason i have pointed out time and time again is they want voices from people who don't play the game and also because a lot of FFXIV players are or was only FF 11 player before this game came out so most of them could not even give a creditable feedback on U.I and other things that was not in FF XI.

That's as false as it can be. This very forum is evidence enough that the customer base at large has been none the gentle with 1.0's flaws. Posts of criticism are a very large percentage of the total.

The fault on the disastrous conditions of FFXIV 1.0's launch lays entirely with SE, please, don't try to shift the blame on the userbase, because it's pretty ridiculous.

If you think the testers of 1.0 didn't tell SE that they were going a disastrous route since way before launch, you've never read the beta forums. The feedback was given. Plenty of it, as a matter of fact. It was simply ignored.

[Velhart]

My sig, is funny and it has no meaning by me posting it so take it as you will

Wow where have I seen this before?

So, you don't believe you make personal attacks...

Well not only have you done that in almost every post, you are also endorsing one in your sig. You talk of what is offensive or not and should respect how others feel....and....you do this stuff. Hypocrisy is the keyword here today.

Sigh, I bet reps are seeing people like us bicker and say "No beta for you...and no beta for you...and no beta for...you.."

[Firon]

And that's also a double edged sword. I know many people that never looked back when it came to FFXIV, would play it in alpha and get the same impression due to being incomplete. During a normal first release of a game, it's not as bad, but some of these people already have that bad taste in their mouth, so the timing of showing them the game is more crucial.

Most if not all people who play games knows what an alpha/beta is, it's basically a demo so that does not really fly.

[ispano]

Most if not all people who play games knows what an alpha/beta is, it's basically a demo so that does not really fly.

You would hope right? But people are very opinionated, you would hope they would think about it logically but many don't. This is including the gamer base they are trying to attract.

[Abriael]

Most if not all people who play games knows what an alpha/beta is, it's basically a demo so that does not really fly.

Alphas/Betas are generally not demos. A demo has no testing purposes whatsoever, as it's an entirely promotional device.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Okay, I know I said I'd give it a break, but this is just too pathetic for words. Look, when it all comes down to it, this is what it's all about:

One person at least is angry, crying, and in a short span of time has offloaded a huge wad of butthurt on the forums every day because of it.

Now, don't get me wrong. Everyone has the right to express their opinions. And people have just as much right to express disagreement with that opinion. But some people are of the mind that when a person expresses disagreement with that opinion, they are "attacking" them. Which, actually, is a crock. The posts that I made towards Abby towards the end were, in fact, simply me trolling him for his repetitive crying and hairtrigger quickness to accuse ayone who didn't put his opinion on a pedestal or even at least slightly agree with him of "attacking" him. And yes, trolling is wrong and in fact made me no better the person for it. After all, as was quoted by someone once "You shouldn't argue with stupidity. It pulls you down to it's level and beats you with experience". And I really have no excuse for doing so.

However, in the beginning, when I did try to have an intelligent debate with Abby, he was quick to anger, quicker to go on the attack, and quicker still to whine about being attacked when someone gave him a dose of his own medicine. So, acknowledging that an intelligent debate with this person was beyond impossible to have, I had two choices:

1. Just leave him alone, or

2. Make fun of and degrade him.

I chose option number 2. Yep, it was likely the wrong choice to make. But, given his irrational, butthurt attitude, his narcassistic personality, and the fact that he is often in denial about such things, it was almost like cutting his hand and waving it around in shark infested waters. Yeah, I could have handled it better. Then again, you often get what you give. Yeah, I know about the golden rule and "turn the other cheek" and "be the better person and ignore it", yadda yadda. But something constant is more likely to get a response in kind than something that's not. And people wish to fly to his defense now because of what was just recently posted against him; but many of them haven't paid attention to his earlier posts, some on different threads, in which he whines, accuses people of disagreeing with hism as people who are "picking on him", goes on the attack, is force-fed what he dishes out, gets mad, and then cries some more. Yes, trolling him for this behaviour is wrong. But it, well, it just gets old. And people are calling him out for it. And to tell you the truth, a lot of his posts ARE whining, or at least have a whining tone. At times, it's funny as hell. at others, it's nauseating. I'm sorry, I can't be kind about it either way. (shrug) Judge that how you will.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have presents to wrap. Lots and LOTS to wrap. Oy vey. Have fun, kiddies!

[ispano]

Okay, I know I said I'd give it a break, but this is just too pathetic for words. Look, when it all comes down to it, this is what it's all about:

One person at least is angry, crying, and in a short span of time has offloaded a huge wad of butthurt on the forums every day because of it.

Now, don't get me wrong. Everyone has the right to express their opinions. And people have just as much right to express disagreement with that opinion. But some people are of the mind that when a person expresses disagreement with that opinion, they are "attacking" them. Which, actually, is a crock. The posts that I made towards Abby towards the end were, in fact, simply me trolling him for his repetitive crying and hairtrigger quickness to accuse ayone who didn't put his opinion on a pedestal or even at least slightly agree with him of "attacking" him. And yes, trolling is wrong and in fact made me no better the person for it. After all, as was quoted by someone once "You shouldn't argue with stupidity. It pulls you down to it's level and beats you with experience". And I really have no excuse for doing so.

However, in the beginning, when I did try to have an intelligent debate with Abby, he was quick to anger, quicker to go on the attack, and quicker still to whine about being attacked when someone gave him a dose of his own medicine. So, acknowledging that an intelligent debate with this person was beyond impossible to have, I had two choices:

1. Just leave him alone, or

2. Make fun of and degrade him.

I chose option number 2. Yep, it was likely the wrong choice to make. But, given his irrational, butthurt attitude, his narcassistic personality, and the fact that he is often in denial about such things, it was almost like cutting his hand and waving it around in shark infested waters. Yeah, I could have handled it better. Then again, you often get what you give. Yeah, I know about the golden rule and "turn the other cheek" and "be the better person and ignore it", yadda yadda. But something constant is more likely to get a response in kind than something that's not. And people wish to fly to his defense now because of what was just recently posted against him; but many of them haven't paid attention to his earlier posts, some on different threads, in which he whines, accuses people of disagreeing with hism as people who are "picking on him", goes on the attack, is force-fed what he dishes out, gets mad, and then cries some more. Yes, trolling him for this behaviour is wrong. But it, well, it just gets old. And people are calling him out for it. And to tell you the truth, a lot of his posts ARE whining, or at least have a whining tone. At times, it's funny as hell. at others, it's nauseating. I'm sorry, I can't be kind about it either way. (shrug) Judge that how you will.

You have more options than that. You could argue against his point without trolling him. For one. I say this because I haven't seen these posts you're referring to.

[SkyeWindbinder]

You have more options than that. You could argue against his point without trolling him. For one.

Did you completely skip the part where I posted my attempt to do such and yet...

Oh forget it. Why am I even bothering, lol? I have stuff to do. XD

[Vilhem]

Did you completely skip the part where I posted my attempt to do such and yet...

Oh forget it. Why am I even bothering, lol? I have stuff to do. XD

I'm going shopping today for you know whats!!!! X3

[Velhart]

Most if not all people who play games knows what an alpha/beta is, it's basically a demo so that does not really fly.

Well you do have to look at both sides of the argument. While yes it isn't the end of the world to not get a alpha access, some people (rather significant or not) care mostly about contributing into making a better game. To be fair though, even if SE chose only legacy members to alpha, not everyone would get an invite still and people would gripe about the same thing in a different manner.

Now do I believe how SE approached choosing alpha players sketchy? Of course. In my mind it is simply "classic SE" though and not surprised on how they handled it. To me however, it is just alpha, but the only thing I do care about is SE letting "beta" participants in a fair fashion. It is no harm in trying to convince SE our perspective on how participants should be chosen, and you have every right to disagree with it and offer your own perspective, no one is truly right or wrong here.

We convinced them to change something as big as the server transfer ordeal, I don't see why minds can't be changed on other issues either.

And uhh, I think my gripe at SE earlier was because of how they set up Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy on the iOS, haha. SE has had very shady methods of business lately, but they are one of various companies with this fault lately, they just practice it heavier than some others.