Forum outrage! An explaination?

[Pseudopsia]

I am going to add a lot of people do not like change, even if it's better. These are the people I most often have arguments with. As a computer Scientist I have to embrace change, if I don't I become less competitive in an ever changing environment.

Link: Explained: Why We Don't Like Change

[Genjuro]

I am going to add a lot of people do not like change, even if it's better. These are the people I most often have arguments with. As a computer Scientist I have to embrace change, if I don't I become less competitive in an ever changing environment.

Link: Explained: Why We Don't Like Change

I agree. Most people usually detest changes especially when it's working, even if it's horribly cumbersome. They've adapted to make the system work for them. When change hits, they are met with the sense of despair because now that system does not work for them.

[HiirNoivl]

I post here all the time, every day, multiple times a day... but sometimes, even my opinion stays right where it belongs... in my head... (Can you count all the popular threads with no Hiir-posts? Extra credit for those who got the "active account" quiz wrong.)

That said, I have very, very few good ideas and mostly use the forums as my personal sandbox where I can write things I don't care much about because it'll be gone shortly. But, the good ideas have often enough been bumped by devs from weeks off the front pages. It's nice.

At this point, they have a vision and a goal that they are sticking with. While a few tweaks and changes might still come I doubt they are going to redesign things yet again.

ARR is still a work in progress and quite malleable. And will probably remain so after launch.

[Laume]

I am going to add a lot of people do not like change, even if it's better. These are the people I most often have arguments with. As a computer Scientist I have to embrace change, if I don't I become less competitive in an ever changing environment.

Link: Explained: Why We Don't Like Change

Agreed. My vote goes to the vocal minority as I, myself was part of beta for 1.0 and am currently playing ffxi (like literally. I'm outside the maw for abyssea-la theine in another window.). I've always felt that the first 1.0 had a lot of potential. Sure it had a lot of GUI problems and bugs due to people shouting for the game to be shipped without another delay, but that doesn't mean the game concept was bad. But people thought that mislabeled GUI means it's a bug in a programming (which, like most CS people, you'll actually know what a bug is as opposed to what gamers feel it is.) or that the game itself is flawed. It tried to do something different from any other mmorpg out there and that scared people. It scared people who came from WoW because different and they can't ram through stuff like they can in other games. It scared the ffxi players because there's suddenly none of the jobs or skills they're accustom to. Is 2.0 a much more in depth game? Yes. Is 2.0 turning out to be a beautiful and well-thought-out game? Definitely. But 1.0 had a freedom in game play that didn't exist in it's later incarnations and, again, wasn't a bad concept. I really do hope they bring back all the original skills that were cut out in later 1.0 revisions (example: absorb spells, mass fear, etc. from thm). It would be nice to have the ability to make your own job/play style rather than have someone dictate that you are a drg or war or mnk.

What I personally think (my opinion) is that there are a group of people, the same one's (analogously, not literally) that talk too loud, always has to be better and know more than you and have better stuff. Those are the group of people that will shout the loudest because they want something. One part of it wants just ffxi with better graphics because they really can't imagine anything else, the others want a WoW that they can play that's not WoW. And when one group gets something, the other screams. So, in the end, we end up with a group of people that screams they want jump as that's standard in mmorpgs and that same group will scream when they implement it. Or vice versa, they that will scream for harder fights because they feel there's nothing to do due to them ramming through everything, and that same group screaming that fights are too hard and shouldn't require 2 full alliances (a la dynamis runs or god fights in ffxi back in the day?).

[ZakarnRosewood]

Just wanted to add that people might also be behaving this way to hopefully get someone to let slip some kind of feature from alpha that they dont know from the vids. especially in the case of the quests/combat.

[SwordCoheir]

I think a grand majority of the problem as some have already mentioned lies within fear of a secondary failure and/or people being afraid it's going to be just another WoW clone. While I think those who are not extremely close minded have legitimate concerns, I also think most players really don't realize...

A. Only the earliest MMO's really have some originality to their design.

Which is fine and dandy, it's super hard to be original in this era where just about anyone can up and program their own game and publish it for the world to see. But part of FFXIV's problem is it tried so hard to be "different" it didn't try to use element's that were popular then reinvent them into something that would compliment FFXIV and help it succeed.

Then we have B.

B. SE is a business and low and behold as it is for me to say this they're interest is mainly focused on making money to keep the company afloat.

I know alot of folks want this game to be it's own thing and not some WoW clone or using a carbon copy system of some other MMO, but it's no secret that SE has been losing sales for the past seven something years now from a stream of spin-offs and sub-par games, really lacking any solid titles since Kingdom Hearts II. With that said, despite the want's of some of the playerbase SE is probably banking completely on the success of FFXIV:ARR and cannot afford to mess this up, so if it has to become more like Western and other modern MMO's out there in order to maximize players and succeed SE will do it.

I just hope they realize that originality doesn't always lead to success, but quality is definitely required for success.

[Orophin]

ARR is still a work in progress and quite malleable. And will probably remain so after launch.

There was a lot of griping about the battle video shown, however if people expect the framework for that to change drastically, I think they're in for a big disappointment. The devs can't bend to the whims of every person that whines about something, just because they don't like it or are unwilling to try something different.

[SkyeWindbinder]

(shrug) People on these forums rage about numerous things every day; from not being selected to experience alpha to jumping on tents not being realistic to the texture of the grass... I've actually gotten used to the whining and the rage. It's kind of like pollution. Nobody really likes it, nobody really approves of the people doing it, and it trashes the place and makes it dirtier and less presentable. But it's a fact of life, you see it every day, and if a day passed when you didn't see it you'd be shocked and wonder what the heck was going on. lol

[ZakarnRosewood]

(shrug) People on these forums rage about numerous things every day; from not being selected to experience alpha to jumping on tents not being realistic to the texture of the grass... I've actually gotten used to the whining and the rage. It's kind of like pollution. Nobody really likes it, nobody really approves of the people doing it, and it trashes the place and makes it dirtier and less presentable. But it's a fact of life, you see it every day, and if a day passed when you didn't see it you'd be shocked and wonder what the heck was going on. lol

Sad but true.

[NoctisXZ]

I don't know what it is about this thread.. but something about it and the comments contained within strike me as, hmm.. I don't know.. it just seems like there is a major holier-than-thou kind of mentality going on right now, and yes.. I know that's not really the mindset that anyone here has.. or so I hope..

Outside of Alpha invites I haven't honestly seen or read a thread that struck me as someone just complaining for the sake of complaining, granted I have also never read or heard about this grass thread..

This rationalization of why people are complaining needs to stop honestly though. It all just strikes me as rather tacky.. like an excuse is being invented for why there is so much criticism on these forums.. criticism that to some is just plain old stupid. But guess what.. you aren't the only one with an opinion.. or the only person who wants this game to be great in their own way. A thread about jumping or something of that matter, about something trivial to you, doesn't make it less than any other post. I'm sorry to bare that news but it just doesn't...

There is absolutely no harm in anyone voicing there opinion about anything as long as there is some kind of reasoning behind it.. as long as it's constructive.

Everyone just wants the game to be great.. take a post for what it is. A person voicing their opinion on what they think is great or not so great with the game. Stop trying to lump them into some percentage or call them nostalgic because, to me, that's just a way of trying to devalue a post.

At least a thread about grass, as silly as even I might think it is, pertains to the game and adds some kind of value. This thread just serves to deconstruct posts and the people who make them.