How valuable is the hardcore opinion?

[TheVedis]

If you read through the other bajillon threads on the topic, the "you have access and want access to stuff others don't have" mentality is rather prevalent.

it is, and so is the "i dont wanna have to play as long to earn stuff" mentality

in the end it doesnt matter, casuals will always sterotype every hardcore, and vise versa


the truely defining thing between the 2....is that hardcores will ALWAYS earn stuff quicker then casuals because they play that much more to earn it that much quicker. Which is how it should be.
No one is being denied content, but your playtime should dictate how fast you can get to content and make it available to you.(mainly this is done through leveling or quest chains, since the more you play the faster you get them done)

[Thsscks]

A hardcore player's isn't anymore valuable than a casual player's opinion. And it shouln't be any different.
Since most players are casual and live their lives also outside of games, I personally think casual players are more important.
Since they aren't a minority and unhealthy behaviour shouln't be encouraged. Playing a game that much just so you can have decent equips takes away the most important aspect of a game and that is fun and relaxation.
Spending countless of hours playing a game just so that you can be become good at it is pretty much pointless..
Don't consider yourself elite or anything just because you consider yourself hardcore, that's a pathetic misunderstanding.
Everyone in a game should be proportionally represented no customer is anymore special.

[Cairdeas]

it is, and so is the "i dont wanna have to play as long to earn stuff" mentality

in the end it doesnt matter, casuals will always sterotype every hardcore, and vise versa


the truely defining thing between the 2....is that hardcores will ALWAYS earn stuff quicker then casuals because they play that much more to earn it that much quicker. Which is how it should be.
No one is being denied content, but your playtime should dictate how fast you can get to content and make it available to you.(mainly this is done through leveling or quest chains, since the more you play the faster you get them done)

The only qualifiers you should have to participate in an individual content should be having the proper level, the proper team, and the proper skill level of play.

Arbitrary Time sinks of sitting in one place for 10 hours waiting for one monster to spawn do not fulfill any of those qualifiers.

[TheVedis]

The only qualifiers you should have to participate in an individual content should be having the proper level, the proper team, and the proper skill level of play.

Arbitrary Time sinks of sitting in one place for 10 hours waiting for one monster to spawn do not fulfill any of those qualifiers.

a quest chain isnt always a time sink, alot of the time it tells the story leading up to why you are going into that dungeon

someone here is obviously just looking for ways to argue with hardcore players

[Zkieve]

this hardcore vs casual nonsense is going and going and goi....
In the end it matters not. If the game is fun for a lot of people, lot of people will play. if is not then they wont play.
If the game life is long people will play longer, if its short people will play less.
Casual, hardcore , elite, noobs, experienced, who cares, all this labels are mediocre.Players are not tools or groups , they are people , like you , like everyone , sometimes you play less or more, sometimes you have fun sometimes you dont.It is the same for everyone.
Is like people call wow a "casual" game and there is a lot of people who can teach you a thin or two about so called hardcore players.Or in contrasts , people whoplayed for years ffxi without even finishing CoP, game so called hardcore only.

[Neptune]

Everyone in a game should be proportionally represented no customer is anymore special.

I think this last point is especially relevant here.

[MaxWinter]

truth is every view is important , but the end view is the development teams view is probley most important of all , sure they listen to players but they need to decide what type of game they want other wise it can go all over the place.

We the players can try help and try to comprimise on issues this is best way to get a good experience out of the game i think.

[Drex]

Hardcore opinions are irrelevant. They are only interested in content only THEY can access - meaning, they don't want content that even casuals can get to. A friend of mine pointed this out to me, and I think it's an absurd, self-centered mentality.

This is why I don't hang out with most hardcore players - they rub me the wrong way.

That said, hardcore players are good for in-depth criticisms of game mechanics and the like, but when it comes to items, monsters, and other worldly mechanisms that we can tangibly interact with, they start getting greedy and don't think about the position other players are dealing with in relation to them.

AKA: If you can't empathize, your opinion is worth as much as a chocobo's dropping.

lol....

many ppl fail to understand.....

keep your content.... but gives us content too.....

selfish....

[Kallera]

People want to see worth in their characters, no matter what the level of play.

Yoshi P walks the lonely road with regards to who this game appeals to (both casual and hardcore). But in a game which equally depends on the fighter, the crafter, and the miner for success, it is ideal.

And the ideal is always sought after for corruption.

Which is why the bots and gilsellers need to be stopped as soon as possible. FFXIV's appeal makes it all the more vulnerable to exploits by the unsavory.

[SilvertearRen]

A hardcore player's isn't anymore valuable than a casual player's opinion. And it shouln't be any different.
Since most players are casual and live their lives also outside of games, I personally think casual players are more important.
Since they aren't a minority and unhealthy behaviour shouln't be encouraged. Playing a game that much just so you can have decent equips takes away the most important aspect of a game and that is fun and relaxation.
Spending countless of hours playing a game just so that you can be become good at it is pretty much pointless..
Don't consider yourself elite or anything just because you consider yourself hardcore, that's a pathetic misunderstanding.
Everyone in a game should be proportionally represented no customer is anymore special.

I appreciate your perspective because you're actually trying to stand in the middle, as opposed to taking sides. That's a decent approach. :3 You're really right. The game is for fun and relaxation, not stress. Elite equipment shouldn't be stressful to get...just challenging.

The biggest question is, how do we make them challenging for both hardcores and casuals, without scaring both of them off?