Why not abolish the Class system entirely in favor of Jobs? [@ Devs]

[syntaxlies]

Sorry felt like you were trying to mock me "Still... what?" "this is how it works" (obvious) at least in my head sounds rude. ( :P )


I dont think the battle system is going to see drastic changes (from what he already has planned) - however I dont mind a Rep or Yoshida seeing our worries and perhaps hes got a system planned or is like "oh shit" himself and then has one planned. I dont want to play the game and be like god damn this feels like a gld with a few dd spells.. when its supposed to be a dark knight..

you know? lol

Since they are overhauling the actions I can only assume that the 1.0 revision was made to balance the content with an over simplified action list for cost reasons. I'm really hoping they fix class/job roles and don't listen to all the white knights telling them everything is good.

[Shougun]

Since they are overhauling the actions I can only assume that the 1.0 revision was made to balance the content with an over simplified action list for cost reasons. I'm really hoping they fix class/job roles and don't listen to all the white knights telling them everything is good.

Yeah me too. I mean I'm sure there are small subtle fixes I havent thought about (macro changes are easier to deal with) so i'm not saying my way or the highway. But I will be dissapointed if jobs get turned into things they are not just because they are trying to stick to the system.

Like DRK with GLD is just anyway you look at it not a DRK. However I could see a MRD (who already has blood letting skills and dps) perhaps lead into DRK. Though they still need to introduce weapon rules (jobs getting weapons the class doesn't get).

Really? Doesn't sound that way to me.

Anything said about the game is our feedback, anything we dont fully know about the game becomes our theory crafting of how it might be more fun for us. (But there isnt one way to successfully do something - usually at least)

[Velhart]

Yeah me too. I mean I'm sure there are small subtle fixes I havent thought about (macro changes are easier to deal with) so i'm not saying my way or the highway. But I will be dissapointed if jobs get turned into things they are not just because they are trying to stick to the system.

Like DRK with GLD is just anyway you look at it not a DRK. However I could see a MRD (who already has blood letting skills and dps) perhaps lead into DRK. Though they still need to introduce weapon rules (jobs getting weapons the class doesn't get).

It really can go any way where DRK fits in. On a FF nostalgic side, Paladin and Dark Knight have always been a ying-yang of each other, and would make a nice story (lore wise) of the two. Like I said, the practicality of the two being within the same class has to be judged by the concepts of the GLD in 2.0. If we went by how 1.xx's system is set up, then DRK would be most logical in MRD, or even kind of LNC.

Or maybe they won't even release DRK until a brand new class comes in. That is always a strong possibility, lol.

[Zoloe]

It really can go any way where DRK fits in. On a FF nostalgic side, Paladin and Dark Knight have always been a ying-yang of each other, and would make a nice story (lore wise) of the two. Like I said, the practicality of the two being within the same class has to be judged by the concepts of the GLD in 2.0. If we went by how 1.xx's system is set up, then DRK would be most logical in MRD, or even kind of LNC.

Or maybe they won't even release DRK until a brand new class comes in. That is always a strong possibility, lol.

This was my exact thinking! I just think, from a lore perspective, that gladiator would be cool to branch into these two completely opposite jobs!

[Shougun]

This was my exact thinking! I just think, from a lore perspective, that gladiator would be cool to branch into these two completely opposite jobs!

Except they wouldn't be opposite - at all -... it would be two completly similar jobs with slight nuances

[syntaxlies]

Except they wouldn't be opposite - at all -... it would be two completly similar jobs with slight nuances

Exactly and completely 100% this^^^^^^^^^^

It's like in zoo lander, "one look "

[Zoloe]

Except they wouldn't be opposite - at all -... it would be two completly similar jobs with slight nuances

Strip your mind of the old FFXIV for a minute. I'm not talking about Gladiator as you know it. Gladiator would have skills that would be useful for both jobs and when you change to either job, you gain skills that make you completely different (and opposite) from the other. Opposite meaning, one is a tank (defense) and one is a damage dealer (offense).

[Shougun]

Strip your mind of the old FFXIV for a minute. I'm not talking about Gladiator as you know it. Gladiator would have skills that would be useful for both jobs and when you change to either job, you gain skills that make you completely different (and opposite) from the other. Opposite meaning, one is a tank (defense) and one is a damage dealer (offense).

You cant do that.. Because then you are making the class do well at both dps and tanking - each class must have a purpose each job must have a purpose they cannot be everything at once.

(Its bad balancing). If you make it do well so it can go into DRK or PLD you are either going to have to make every class OP or just have an OP class. OR make it suck at both and no one will ever use the class but to level up and then you are making classes useless and there is no point to have them.

Either way its a no no. The only solution I see is to make changing your job retroactively change the classes skills to be in theme with the job. OR make each job its own "class" that is unlocked from other jobs.

[Thebard]

This was my exact thinking! I just think, from a lore perspective, that gladiator would be cool to branch into these two completely opposite jobs!

Just a thought but 1.0's lore doesn't need to have anything to do with any ties between classand job. Lets just say now its a new era and we all got our collective butt kicked the guilds reformed and everything is done differently now and why not (just with embelishments :P).

[Zoloe]

Just a thought but 1.0's lore doesn't need to have anything to do with any ties between classand job. Lets just say now its a new era and we all got our collective butt kicked the guilds reformed and everything is done differently now and why not (just with embelishments :P).

With that in mind. New lore that makes it so DRK and PLD are against each other or something would be really cool to see.... but whatever. I look forward to seeing what actually happens vs what we would like to happen.

p.s. Just to clarify. Just because I want to see what they have in store does not mean I do not want people to still suggest things and put their ideas out there. :P