Why not abolish the Class system entirely in favor of Jobs? [@ Devs]

[Shougun]

You forget about the sub class. GLA + THM + 5 DRK specific abilities/spells. We dont need a bunch of useless spells like ffxi.

Imo that is still a very lame/themed "Dark Knight". You may be happy with "cut here" "copy there" tada look its a disfigured new job.. but I'm not. (Also the THM addresses nothing about the physical DPS drk requires)

I can deal. But its not very pretty.


Sphere is the job sphere, the soul stones.

Drk doesnt have defensive spells - the GLD has defensive spells but those spells must carry into PLD. SO you have to have the sphere itself have the ability to kill certain class skills.

[Raagnar]

Imo that is still a very lame/themed "Dark Knight". You may be happy with "cut here" "copy there" tada look its a disfigured new job.. but I'm not. (Also the THM addresses nothing about the physical DPS drk requires)

I can deal. But its not very pretty.

Still.. what? youve been dealing this entire time. This is how all jobs are currently put together, 2 classes + 5 new abilities = job

[Shougun]

Still.. what? youve been dealing this entire time. This is how all jobs are currently put together, 2 classes + 5 new abilities = job

So what? These forums are for feedback and someone started a thread on something I find annoying.

I know how all jobs are put together stating it is awkward.

[Raagnar]

So what? These forums are for feedback and someone started a thread on something I find annoying.

I know how all jobs are put together stating it is awkward.

Dont get annoyed Shou, I was just making a counter point. If you dont like the entire system but still play ARR then thats your problem. But if you dont mind how its been set up but are arguing that DRK cant possibly be made from GLA, that just doesnt make sense.

Lets not forget the topic though, this was about wanting to get rid of the class system and by the last few pages of this debate it will obviously have a place in ARR, we know that much. So why would they change it drastically now or remove it. We are getting a second battle overhaul they never said they were changing the armoury system.

[Shougun]

Dont get annoyed Shou, I was just making a counter point. If you dont like the entire system but still play ARR then thats your problem. But if you dont mind how its been set up but are arguing that DRK cant possibly be made from GLA, that just doesnt make sense.

Lets not forget the topic though, this was about wanting to get rid of the class system and by the last few pages of this debate it will obviously have a place in ARR, we know that much. So why would they change it drastically now or remove it. We are getting a second battle overhaul they never said they were changing the armoury system.

Sorry felt like you were trying to mock me "Still... what?" "this is how it works" (obvious) at least in my head sounds rude. ( :P )


I dont think the battle system is going to see drastic changes (from what he already has planned) - however I dont mind a Rep or Yoshida seeing our worries and perhaps hes got a system planned or is like "oh shit" himself and then has one planned. I dont want to play the game and be like god damn this feels like a gld with a few dd spells.. when its supposed to be a dark knight..

you know? lol

[syntaxlies]

Sorry felt like you were trying to mock me "Still... what?" "this is how it works" (obvious) at least in my head sounds rude. ( :P )


I dont think the battle system is going to see drastic changes (from what he already has planned) - however I dont mind a Rep or Yoshida seeing our worries and perhaps hes got a system planned or is like "oh shit" himself and then has one planned. I dont want to play the game and be like god damn this feels like a gld with a few dd spells.. when its supposed to be a dark knight..

you know? lol

Since they are overhauling the actions I can only assume that the 1.0 revision was made to balance the content with an over simplified action list for cost reasons. I'm really hoping they fix class/job roles and don't listen to all the white knights telling them everything is good.

[Shougun]

Since they are overhauling the actions I can only assume that the 1.0 revision was made to balance the content with an over simplified action list for cost reasons. I'm really hoping they fix class/job roles and don't listen to all the white knights telling them everything is good.

Yeah me too. I mean I'm sure there are small subtle fixes I havent thought about (macro changes are easier to deal with) so i'm not saying my way or the highway. But I will be dissapointed if jobs get turned into things they are not just because they are trying to stick to the system.

Like DRK with GLD is just anyway you look at it not a DRK. However I could see a MRD (who already has blood letting skills and dps) perhaps lead into DRK. Though they still need to introduce weapon rules (jobs getting weapons the class doesn't get).

Really? Doesn't sound that way to me.

Anything said about the game is our feedback, anything we dont fully know about the game becomes our theory crafting of how it might be more fun for us. (But there isnt one way to successfully do something - usually at least)

[Raagnar]

Since they are overhauling the actions I can only assume that the 1.0 revision was made to balance the content with an over simplified action list for cost reasons. I'm really hoping they fix class/job roles and don't listen to all the white knights telling them everything is good.

Because some enjoy the system they are white knights? Does that make you a troll for complaining about a system in a game you play? Just because some dont agree with you doesnt mean they just blindly defend the game.

[Raagnar]

Sorry felt like you were trying to mock me "Still... what?" "this is how it works" (obvious) at least in my head sounds rude. ( :P )


I dont think the battle system is going to see drastic changes (from what he already has planned) - however I dont mind a Rep or Yoshida seeing our worries and perhaps hes got a system planned or is like "oh shit" himself and then has one planned. I dont want to play the game and be like god damn this feels like a gld with a few dd spells.. when its supposed to be a dark knight..

you know? lol

Yeah that would suck if you have an idea of how DRK is supposed to be in FFXIV and theirs doesnt match yours. Like how some are upset that BRD isnt pure traditional BRD. Ive seen "dark knight" class be tank in other games. They could very well go that route, as you pointed out earlier we just dont know what they have planned yet.

[syntaxlies]

Yeah that would suck if you have an idea of how DRK is supposed to be in FFXIV and theirs doesnt match yours. Like how some are upset that BRD isnt pure traditional BRD. Ive seen "dark knight" class be tank in other games. They could very well go that route, as you pointed out earlier we just dont know what they have planned yet.

Would be dumb to have 2 jobs from one class and make them both tanks IMO