Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Shougun]

I think this thread can be condensed into a few main points...

For:
>It's a game
>Human rights symbolisim
>Happens in nature, why not here?

Against:
>Unethical
>Against an IRL religion
>Real World publicity

I was talking about nature because someone said it is unnatural lol. Ethics are a mater of opinion (though there is usually a few core ethic codes everyone agrees to abide by regardless of faith). Ethics would be on both sides.

Publicity can be a good thing. In the United States if anything it seems to help a game. No idea about the rest of the world. Seems not as likely in Japan.

There are many lines we can discuss SM/SSM but there seems little point if SE just modified the name and system slightly to not be Marriage (marriage is not the only union pre-existing in the world, but might as well make a new lore fitting ritual). Then if you have a problem with the system it is because you have a problem directly with the existence of LG community being accepted.

At that point it is segregation which is not acceptable. Arguing a word that may or may not mean things at different points in its existence and in terms of the precedence it has set is logical but can be avoided.


SE can choose to take a stand for or against - which will of course have some sort of response (obviously SE is considering SSM they asked the community "what do you think? We might add it later").

I dont think anyone is forcing rather then saying "Hey its important to me "this group", or "my group" is accepted by you, please do it".

[Nuinn]

I keep skimming back and forth through this thread. . . . All I see is JP/NA. Seems like EU, for example, just doesn't make such a big deal out of SSM

Anyhow, glad to see that 500+ people who frequent the forums are open-minded enough. That's like a whole server during the Tanaka period

[Arcell]

Been saying it up to the company if they do it or not it’s their choice not ours in the matter. Instead you have people who like to force it upon companies that may hold traditional values to just change their view to match something they don’t agree with their philosophy, not being sensitive enough, whatever the case. This also can be applied to companies that do support ssm it none of straight person dam business if that company chose it to be that way as stated it there choice not anybody else’s.
They don’t see their just as guilty of doing the same actions as some any anti-gay groups in trying to force people to do something in what they believe in both are wrong in doing so and you will hear the same excuses as any other group the comes along with it. People tend to nitpick to the smallest details to match their views its human nature to. A video or a cut scene for this matter is something they may think seems sexually suggestive so that deems it gay or whatever term used and that deems the company supports it base off there comprehension of the subject.
Instead maybe the company acknowledge there is a group out there with different view that are this way give them a few cut scene etc. but don’t want to change their core view on marriage as man and women. As for square enix as a company who know what they will decide but if it goes against someone view as to something as marriage in a game seriously not going to stop me from playing it still.

No one here is forcing them to do anything. Regardless of what the true intention was, they ASKED for feedback so they are getting it. Doesn't matter why they did it, they brought light to the issue (that could have been avoided) and then asked for our thoughts on the matter. The result is this thread, the thoughts of the community on this matter.

As I've told you before, if it was really an issue of their values or tradition of the company then they would have said "We're only allowing heterosexual marriage." and left it at that. They wouldn't have asked us for input.

If we get a response saying our feedback has been taken into consideration and they still think it's best not to include same sex marriage, then so be it. I can live with that as long as we have been heard. I will respect their final decision on the matter after feedback has been taken into consideration.

[odintius]

[QUOTE=Arcell;899194]No one here is forcing them to do anything. Regardless of what the true intention was, they ASKED for feedback so they are getting it. Doesn't matter why they did it, they brought light to the issue (that could have been avoided) and then asked for our thoughts on the matter. The result is this thread, the thoughts of the community on this matter.

As I've told you before, if it was really an issue of their values or tradition of the company then they would have said "We're only allowing heterosexual marriage." and left it at that. They wouldn't have asked us for input.

There are companies meaning more than just square enix believe it or not that allow a certain extent of both issue not just one way or highway approach to this right it called finding a common ground without totally breaching there values a 100%. Yes they said they want feed back and they got plenty of it from english forums some here and there but not on the scope from what I could see compare to these forums. Also note that I didn't completely discredit square enix on my last sentence noting that they still having decided meaning they are considering it maybe base on feedback from here >.>

[Twiddle]

After all i have seen and read so far in this topic i have come to the conclusion that SE should keep the marriage system under the umbrella "one day to come" and simply not introduce it. FC should be enough of a commitment, for people not to have to go and account cancel, over every other sentence. FC will provide more then a marriage in game to begin with, as well it would keep the way clear of drama. Personally i have a rule of thumb, which i learned from XI... i never invite a couple to LS or party, it has happened to often were in a battle one partner would play favorites causing a harder battle or a wipe.

Way i see it, best thing SE can do is. ([announcement] marriage system delayed indefinitely)
-It's not needed
-It causes dram

[Loggos]

Unethical was listed under Against because from following these posts I haven't seen THAT many posts in the For catigory that has stated that it was unethical to not allow SSM. However the word unethical has been tossed over at the For side multiple times.

It's just a short note of mine and not meant as an offense! o.o
But I always felt that the pro argument of human rights was linked to the feeling of ethics. Many supporters said it is not "right" to forbid ssm which I, at least personally, saw as "it is unethical" to forbid it.
So I think one can't really say that on the supportive side (those among them that focuses on the human right aspect) there are not many posts claiming it being unequal. They may not have used the exact word but to me it always had the vibe of it.

But again, that is just personal AND (even though I support that, too!) the ingame SSM issue is not only about lgbt but also about the gender choice thingy of players that don't match real life.

And I still agree that marriage is not the key point of the game. It is actually just a ridiculusly small part of it I guess, a vanity feature.
So I think it's sad that if a fun feature is implemented it is limited and not everyone, who is paying actual money, can make use of it.
Even though they might have nothing to do with lgbt movements and just chose the "wrong" gender for aesthetics...

I hope they'll increase the primal weapon droprates in ARR.

[Arcell]

After all i have seen and read so far in this topic i have come to the conclusion that SE should keep the marriage system under the umbrella "one day to come" and simply not introduce it. FC should be enough of a commitment, for people not to have to go and account cancel, over every other sentence. FC will provide more then a marriage in game to begin with, as well it would keep the way clear of drama. Personally i have a rule of thumb, which i learned from XI... i never invite a couple to LS or party, it has happened to often were in a battle one partner would play favorites causing a harder battle or a wipe.

Way i see it, best thing SE can do is. ([announcement] marriage system delayed indefinitely)
-It's not needed
-It causes dram

How do Free Companies have anything to do with marriage?

[Twiddle]

How do Free Companies have anything to do with marriage?

What's the purpose of one and what's the purpose of the other... WHEN applied to in game! They look very similar, difference being bonuses gained, and people involved.

[ShinigamiKayla]

again... I started saying who cares if they implement it some way or not... we can still have our own player made wedding at locations... so let them not implement it and we can still have marriages regardless of what they decide on... we should make a stand and say were married in game no matter what S-E or nay sayers say... seriously...

whatever happens know this o.o/ I will make sure people are happy and I will beat nay sayers with a lead pipe~

[Arcell]

What's the purpose of one and what's the purpose of the other... WHEN applied to in game! They look very similar, difference being bonuses gained, and people involved.

The purpose of Free Companies is to group a large number of players together who then work toward expanding the company and earning those bonuses.

Marriage is the joining of two people, bonuses have yet to be stated if there are any at all.