A challenge. Make Bard more Bard.

[Majidah]

In my opinion, it's not the having arrows or not that prevent the current BRD from being a "true" bard. It's the lack of songs and bard related abilities that have this effect. As it is now, which is still a great job, it's more of an archer that is apparently in training to be an actual bard. Primarily, the job is not based on it's BRD abilities but on the Archer qualities. That is to say, they need to pump up the songs and things related to them. I'm not sweating animations and such, but those would be nice too.

That said, we're still very early on in this game. With the addition of more level caps and such, in ARR things could be completely different than they seem.

I think once they add lullaby the complains will subside.

While brd COULD use an atk up song their role in battle would not change.

Lullaby and debuffing are the only two things I can think of that would "change" a bard's role in the party, *somewhat*.

I think SE was smart in making songs last so long, and making the relic make them last even further. Refreshing the songs is the least appealing aspect of bard.

[Ingolf]

I think once they add lullaby the complains will subside.

While brd COULD use an atk up song their role in battle would not change.

Lullaby and debuffing are the only two things I can think of that would "change" a bard's role in the party, *somewhat*.

I think SE was smart in making songs last so long, and making the relic make them last even further. Refreshing the songs is the least appealing aspect of bard.

That's because there's three, and there's no thought necessary, in deciding which song to use.

I enjoyed BRD in XI. I never got bored of that job. Just because the majority got bored of it, doesn't mean you should turn its entire focus into being a DD. If that was the case you might as well change BRD in RNG and be done with it.

[PSxpert2011]

I'd agree that a more musically inclined bard would not be a bad thing. But People need to understand why the team decided to go this route.

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The answer was to combine the two jobs so that you had a ranged damage dealer that also had the capacity to enhance teammates based on location. This allowed the bards to both help other players and also feel satisfaction by actively dealing damage and using weaponskills, while also giving ranger players some incentive to stay mobile during combat.

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Don't lose that.

This, I agree!
I never believed initialy that Bard/Ranger should just be ONE job called 'Bard' but after ARR, people will begin to lean torward a DD or a Support through higher levels, more abilities and more equipment.

It's all how a player sets up them self, instead of the cookie cutter trend the world like to broadcast acroos a MMO.

you mean... like this?

ROFLMFAO! /cry XD

Please, runaway, the penquins are coming!! >.<;;

[Majidah]

That's because there's three, and there's no thought necessary, in deciding which song to use.

I enjoyed BRD in XI. I never got bored of that job. Just because the majority got bored of it, doesn't mean you should turn its entire focus into being a DD. If that was the case you might as well change BRD in RNG and be done with it.

If the majority gets bored of a job, it means something's wrong.

Also, deciding what song to sing takes 5 seconds and you do it before the battle begins. Then its the same refreshing over and over.

[Ingolf]

If the majority gets bored of a job, it means something's wrong.

Also, deciding what song to sing takes 5 seconds and you do it before the battle begins. Then its the same refreshing over and over.

This is the problem with XIV's BRD. Whilst in XI at later levels you stuck to marches, ballads and minuets, early on you had to use a multitude of different songs to maintain your group.

As well as the multiple debuff songs like elegies, lullabies and requiems.

Being proactive was the sign of a good BRD in XI. I want the same option here.

Being a good BRD was rewarding in XI. You saw your groups performance go through the roof, you didn't have to be the hurr durr meathead DD.

[Duelle]

This is the problem with XIV's BRD. Whilst in XI at later levels you stuck to marches, ballads and minuets, early on you had to use a multitude of different songs to maintain your group.

Madrigal stopped mattering once accuracy foods became plentiful and beyond the scope of sushi. Paeon was meh, especially considering the two-song limit. Minne = loldefense. Carols were a waste of a song slot, specially considering how resistances worked in FFXI. The list continues. Bard had horribly cluttered ability lists.

Being proactive was the sign of a good BRD in XI. I want the same option here.

Keep in mind that XI gave birth to the princess bard. You may have been in the minority that liked the job as it was, but I think preventing a second coming of the princess bard (or its cousin, the princess red mage) is a tad more important.

you didn't have to be the hurr durr meathead DD.

Now now. Pansy-wansies that without game mechanics would not contribute anything to the fight should not be throwing stones...

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Backlogs aside, if you want new songs, I would recommend a second category of songs that cost no resouces but have cooldowns. The effects would be more for burst phases due to the songs having short durations. Maybe a song that lasts 20 seconds but increases the target/party's attack by a huge amount. Admiteddly, songs can only take you so far, and in all honesty, I think BRD is pretty well set with what it has right now.

BRDs in D&D are essentially rogues. That's bow and/or dagger.

Indeed. There's a reason bards were seen as badasses, and FFIV's Edward was not it.