Will Relics create the same problems that they did in FFXI?

[Altena]

People need to get off their high horse and realise that dedication does not equal player skill. Being "hardcore" is simply a phrase used to the people who sit on their computer all day, mindlessly farm items or partake in boring grinds to get powerful loot at the end of the day. It is quite sad when these "hardcore" players with relics & amazing gear are getting out performed by someone with a GC or Garuda weapon and mediocre gear. I don't really see the current relic quest as a major flaw as there is a heavy weight to player skill over currency farmed.

As I said in my previous post, XI relics cannot be compared to XIV for this exact reason. Relics in XI were obtained by manipulating other people to help you, mindlessly farming currency and doing boring content repetitively until you had the gil or currency to buy them. In XIV it is heavily weighted on player skill, and rewards those that have that skill. To me that is worth more then someone who grinds all day.

Call me a "casual" but I see someone with no life, who sits down and endlessly farms all day has bigger issues then someone who sits down to defeat difficult content. To me, skill is more valuable then grinding, and in that same respect - that skill should be rewarded at a much higher level to the "hardcore" grinder.

So I disagree, XI relics were not more rewarding~ they just took more time, grinding, player manipulation, and selfishness. XIV has a healthier approach to rewarding the players that are skilled enough to defeat the harder content in the game.

[Shougun]

People need to get off their high horse and realise that dedication does not equal player skill. Being "hardcore" is simply a phrase used to the people who sit on their computer all day, mindlessly farm items or partake in boring grinds to get powerful loot at the end of the day. It is quite sad when these "hardcore" players with relics & amazing gear are getting out performed by someone with a GC or Garuda weapon and mediocre gear. I don't really see the current relic quest as a major flaw as there is a heavy weight to player skill over currency farmed.

As I said in my previous post, XI relics cannot be compared to XIV for this exact reason. Relics in XI were obtained by manipulating other people to help you, mindlessly farming currency and doing boring content repetitively until you had the gil or currency to buy them. In XIV it is heavily weighted on player skill, and rewards those that have that skill. To me that is worth more then someone who grinds all day.

Call me a "casual" but I see someone with no life, who sits down and endlessly farms all day has bigger issues then someone who sits down to defeat difficult content. To me, skill is more valuable then grinding, and in that same respect - that skill should be rewarded at a much higher level to the "hardcore" grinder.

So I disagree, XI relics were not more rewarding~ they just took more time, grinding, player manipulation, and selfishness. XIV has a healthier approach to rewarding the players that are skilled enough to defeat the harder content in the game.

I'm always a fan of skill > "stuff"

Like the materia system is "stuff" biased (RNG).

But one of the problems with skill based content is that in all honestly (contrary to popular mockery) there are a lot of skilled players out there. So you wanted an item to be rare but all a sudden surprise its not rare at all.

With an MMO (persistent games) you have to introduce forced grinding because if you just went by skill we'd have already beat the game.

The longer it takes the rarer it is, certainly they could make more of the grinding involve skill and less boring gather over 9000 tokens but then creating that content could/probably would take a long time.

There is logic in FFXI relics - so to is there logic in just making a couple epic hard ass boss fights solo or not.

[Altena]

But one of the problems with skill based content is that in all honestly (contrary to popular mockery) there are a lot of skilled players out there. So you wanted an item to be rare but all a sudden surprise its not rare at all.

With an MMO (persistent games) you have to introduce forced grinding because if you just went by skill we'd have already beat the game.

The longer it takes the rarer it is, certainly they could make more of the grinding involve skill and less boring gather over 9000 tokens but then creating that content could/probably would take a long time.

There is logic in FFXI relics - so to is there logic in just making a couple epic hard ass boss fights solo or not.

All they need to do to make a fight more difficult in it's current state is make fights less linear. There should be less known "phases" and more "random phases". If a fight was less linear, the difficulty would increase ten fold. To people who know a specific fight (such as garuda, ifrit, dungeons) the content gets stale and easy because there is a set order to how the fight works. Once this order is known, and a solid strategy is publicised - this is when the fight gets easy. Forcing more random events, basing it more of a reactional fight rather than a strategic fight - will alone increase the difficulty.

In regards to "a lot of skilled players in the game" - yes I totally agree, however the problem with the community at the moment is people who spend time doing mindless grinding are seen as the "skilled" players in forms of the "hardcore" and "casual" titles that get thrown around every 2nd post. My comments in the previous few posts I made was not based on the system itself, but how people perceive what is to be considered "difficult" or "hard to obtain".

I couldn't care less if I had a RARE item or not, what I care for is having a GOOD item. Sure I am fine with giving these mindless grinders these so called "rare" items, however I would hate to fall into the XI trap again of only making the "good" items accessible to those grinders. Something as big as a relic should not be given to those who necessarily have more time then others - but to those that have more skill. While they may become less rare, who cares? This isn't a fancy dress contest.

[Jynx]

player manipulation, and selfishness.

Really I helped tons of people get their relics and I got rewards. Gotta say not needing to pay for Dynamis and gettng my AF (And some currency once we got so much we started to let it free-fall) So I gotta say there was little reason to be "Manipulated" into being part of a dynamis shell that sponsored runs.

[Zumi]

Really I helped tons of people get their relics and I got rewards. Gotta say not needing to pay for Dynamis and gettng my AF (And some currency once we got so much we started to let it free-fall) So I gotta say there was little reason to be "Manipulated" into being part of a dynamis shell that sponsored runs.

In its prime for I would say 1 dynamis run would yield 12m worth of currency. The run only cost 1m, you can promise people AF2 and they can be happy with that but a lot of the AF2 wasn't that great so in essence if someone sponsored a run they made out like a bandit, in terms of gil made, you may or may not of got your AF2.

[Jynx]

In its prime for I would say 1 dynamis run would yield 12m worth of currency. The run only cost 1m, you can promise people AF2 and they can be happy with that but a lot of the AF2 wasn't that great so in essence if someone sponsored a run they made out like a bandit, in terms of gil made, you may or may not of got your AF2.

Depends on the server really, anyways we did it smart and once we hit a threshold for cash (Generally 2-3 mill worth of currency) any currency would free drop netting most members 10-50k if they got lucky and again the chance at your AF2 (Wich in many cases at least one peice was a good incentive).

People seem so intent on making Dynamis and Relics in XI seem like it was a grueling cruel process...when it was far from it. You only got "Used" if you let yourself be, if your doing something for nothing then your doing it wrong.