All Worlds Maintenance (Nov. 7)

[AdvancedWind]

It doesn't change the fact that they could have just as well modified Living on a Prayer to be available to all adventurers regardless of To Kill a Raven, before the final save.

As far as seeing the story and cutscenes, we are all aware that the story will be changing post ARR and that the current version will be in direct conflict with the future storyline, so it doesn't really matter. Besides, anyone could have found that info by doing a quick search on youtube but that wouldn't be as personal.

Now I don't see how this maintains fairness to players who completed all the quests pre final save. Had SE just made Living on a Prayer available regardless of To Kill a Raven from the start fairness would have been maintained.

Keep in mind, these are just the opinions of an annoyed adventurer that would have liked to complete Living on a Prayer pre final save but never had the chance considering my inability to complete To Kill a Raven.

We can agree to disagree if you would like.

But what would be the point of unlocking it before the final save? So people could get the Dalamud Horn and quest completion? You're literally saying they should have made the ending and all associated rewards available without defeating the final boss. How can you say this is fair?

They are doing it now because at this point it doesn't matter, which is why they're also giving free relics for people to play with. Players who defeated Nael will keep their quest completion and etc, and players who didn't will still be able to see the cutscenes without youtube. In my book this is a win-win situation where no side loses.

Also, the current storyline will not enter in conflict with the new one, at least not the grand company quests. They are a prequel to ARR. So, again, that point also doesn't make sense.

[Matsume]

But what would be the point of unlocking it before the final save? So people could get the Dalamud Horn and quest completion? You're literally saying they should have made the ending and all associated rewards available without defeating the final boss. How can you say this is fair?

They are doing it now because at this point it doesn't matter, which is why they're also giving free relics for people to play with. Players who defeated Nael will keep their quest completion and etc, and players who didn't will still be able to see the cutscenes without youtube. In my book this is a win-win situation where no side loses.

Also, the current storyline will not enter in conflict with the new one, at least not the grand company quests. They are a prequel to ARR. So, again, that point also doesn't make sense.

Remind me how Living on a Prayer is contingent upon defeating To Kill a Raven and how you can kill Van Darnus a second time in a Raven Nevermore after having already kicked his face in the first time? Does he simply resurrect to give you an earring? As far as I know, the Twelve Shrines exist regardless of To Kill a Raven, I don't see why the Twelve should neglect my prayers because I have yet to complete To Kill a Raven, hell, one could say I need more help from the twelve before killing van darnus than I do after...

[Felis]

Remind me how Living on a Prayer is contingent upon defeating To Kill a Raven and how you can kill Van Darnus a second time in a Raven Nevermore after having already kicked his face in the first time? Does he simply resurrect to give you an earring? As far as I know, the Twelve Shrines exist regardless of To Kill a Raven, I don't see why the Twelve should neglect my prayers because I have yet to complete To Kill a Raven, hell, one could say I need more help from the twelve before killing van darnus than I do after...

To kill Darnus to stop Dalamud was plan B (plan A was to destroy the tower in Castrum Novus). It didn't work, so there was plan C: to pray to the gods

You can't ignore the middle of a final story and jump to the end

[Orophin]

Will the Primals help us? :O Maybe at least mitigate the damage from the impact or something...ah I ramble. Carry on >_>/

I doubt that will happen. Even if they did, it wouldn't be to help us directly, but out of self-preservation to keep the world from being destroyed.

Even so, I don't know the specifics about the Primals as far as death goes. Technically, we've defeated all the Primals in the 7th Umbral Era story line, but I don't know if we actually destroyed them or just defeated some manifestation of them, since they rely on aetheric energy to exist. We know that once we defeated them that Dalamud absorbed their aetheric energy, but who's to say the beastmen couldn't gather more crystals with which to summon their Primals again?

Edit: As an afterthought, the Primals WILL be in ARR, but I don't know how they will explain this.

[Matsume]

To Kill a Raven was a quest to stop Darnus from calling down Dalamud as it had been assumed he had become a beacon calling it down in place of the Lunar Transmitter.

Living on a prayer was the conclusion of To Kill a Raven and the final set of actions that could be done before Dalamud's impact.

A Raven Nevermore is completly seperate from the story line and was just meant for an endgame challenge.

If you were able to start Living on a prayer before completing To Kill a Raven the story would not flow.

What terru said, especially since the cutscenes in living on a prayer talks about darnus and you defeating him several times. It wouldn't make sense.

To kill Darnus to stop Dalamud was plan B (plan A was to destroy the tower in Castrum Novus). It didn't work, so there was plan C: to pray to the gods

You can't ignore the middle of a final story and jump to the end

I fully understand that Living on a Prayer comes after To Kill a Raven chronologically speaking. The twin adder npc says something along the lines of "well since defeating van darnus didn't seem to work Louisoix has come up with this other plan, go see him".

Obviously there is a contextual reference that places Living on a Prayer after To Kill a Raven BUT I don't see any reason why plan C must come after plan B with the exception that Louisoix wasn't smart enough to think of plan C before he thought of plan B. Unless, defeating Van Darnus in To Kill a Raven somehow uncovered the hidden ruins of the lost Twelve Shrines making it thus possible to pray to them in Living on a Prayer. Or maybe The Twelve are deaf to the prayers of those not strong enough to defeat Van Darnus? You and I both know this is not the reason.

The only reason that Living on a Prayer comes after To Kill a Raven is because SE decided on it. Just as they have decided to hand out free relics and change the availability of Living on a Prayer to anyone in a Grand Company. THIS is the problem. I've never been a fan of reasoning "because I said so".

In all honesty, there doesn't yet seem to be a reason, canonically speaking, why Living on a Prayer could not have been available alongside To Kill a Raven. Matter of fact, wouldn't it be logical to pray at the shrines of the Twelve before engaging yourself in a life or death battle with the ultimate foe? Wouldn't you want the Twelve to help you defeat Van Darnus and to bestow their powers upon you in the face of such calamity?

Call me butthurt if it makes you feel better about yourselves but until someone presents to me a valid reason, other than "because SE made it that way", why Living on a Prayer could not have been a prerequisite to To Kill a Raven rather than the other way around...I will stand my ground.