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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Reading articles and being a modder (mind you, I'm a modder too as a hobby, but that's not of much consequence) or a budding indie (best wishes on that) don't exactly give much experience in the industry.
    Thanks - not really looking for a sell on this one as much as personal fun and practice. Better designs later when they are feasible for my programming skills.. Moar 3d tricks required lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    It's a common misconception between gamers to think that such experiences go any deep under the crust on the industry, and that's why so many have that "i know better than a developer!" attitude that developers hate with their whole guts.
    That is annoying in any field lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    This is a funny discussion, but you really need to realize that the industry is moving and evolving, and it's doing so very, very fast. Pay to Play developers can't avoid considering alternative routes to pure pay to play, unless they want to go fully hybrid very soon after release.
    I did just say I am following the Industry very closely, I know what is up and what is down.

    P2P method is not dead - it is just not the only method now. When everyone went p2p because thats all they knew now that have the option to pick what is best for them - that doesn't mean p2p is dead because people are experimenting and or picking a model best suited for themselves. Its like those silly articles going on about the console, or the PC as dead mediums. .. lol...


    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    The fact that Yoshida doesn't discount other business models now that the game hasn't even launched yet should give you some very strong hints. And if you think that this system is any worse (even considering your own definition of Pay to Win) of going hybrid... well...
    He should consider all the avenues - I however do not want to play an RMT supportive game. Just like some people dont like playing FPS, my personal preference. So as he considers them I will ensure correct representation of and as well opposition to RMT supportive methods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    I did just say I am following the Industry very closely, I know what is up and what is down.
    From the point of view of a single gamer. That's not what we're talking about here.

    P2P method is not dead
    Pure hardcore P2P pretty much is, as much as it pains me to admit it because I prefer it a LOT to F2P or full hybrid. Games simply can't hold indefinitely with it. It may be a good starting point, but with the speed at which the industry slaps out new games that attract the customerbase from the older games, developers are faced with the need to find ways to allow players to keep their account active easier. Which PLEX/Chronoscrolls do very efficiently.

    They're the best alternative to going hybrid developers have at the moment.

    The only game that can truly prosper for a long time with that system (for now) is wow. and only because it has a very large pool of pre-existing users, that will last longer despite being constantly eroded. In addition to wow, other games that have a VERY fossilized userbase can kind of trudge with it. But ARR won't most probably be part of that group.

    2013 is NOT a small year for MMORPGs. ARR will have to compete with very strong titles that will probably hit after it. They're a danger SE better prepare against as solidly as possible.

    He should consider all the avenues - I however do not want to play an RMT supportive game. Just like some people dont like playing FPS, my personal preference. So as he considers them I will ensure correct representation of and as well opposition to RMT supportive methods.
    Unfortunately your extremist position does the opposite of that, as you're misrepresenting the system and its effects (that have already been verified and tested elsewhere) full force.

    Preconceptions are a bad thing when considering new options.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 11-07-2012 at 06:14 PM.