Funny Final Fantasy homage in Muv-Luv Alternative

[Abriael]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth_(roller_coaster)

Have you guys been on this ride? Best Final Fantasy based roller coaster ever.

Behemoth has been adopted as a common word in the English language.

Coeurl is not. A coeurl can be only two things. One fits that image (the Final Fantasy Coeurl), the other doesn't (the Van Vogt Coeurl). Guess what?

[Ruisu]

IX, X, and XI does not equate to "All of the Coeurls in Final Fantasy".

The fact that Final Fantasy has various types of Coeurls proves your statement wrong. Why this is even the argument to begin with is asinine. The original statement was "Final Fantasy did not invent Coeurls."

And he was right. That was the point that was made. Keep digging that hole of yours, though.

[Abriael]

IX, X, and XI does not equate to "All of the Coeurls in Final Fantasy".

You forgot the "almost"

The fact that Final Fantasy has various types of Coeurls proves your statement wrong. Why this is even the argument to begin with is asinine. The original statement was "Final Fantasy did not invent Coeurls."

You're the one that turned it into an "argument" (enough to push you to be insulting). So guess who the definition you just brought applies to?

And he was right. That was the point that was made. Keep digging that hole of yours, though.

The problem is that the fact that final fantasy didn't invent coeurls has nothing to do with it, as the coeurl represented in that picture is evidently not a van vogt coeurl (again, they're described very precisely, have you even read his novel?).

While it definitely resembles quite a few final fantasy designs.

[Ruisu]

THREE FINAL FANTASY GAMES IS ALMOST THE ENTIRE SERIES.

I was actually trying to correct you, not make an arguement out of it.

Finally, it looks more like Von Vogt's version of Coeurls, it also makes more sense. How many times have we gone full circle at this point? Have you even played Final Fantasy?

[Abriael]

THREE FINAL FANTASY GAMES IS ALMOST THE ENTIRE SERIES.

I was actually trying to correct you, not make an arguement out of it.

Do you call an "ass" everyone you "try to correct"?

I see that'd be the best way to "not to make an argument", for sure

Finally, it looks more like Von Vogt's version of Coeurls, it also makes more sense. How many times have we gone full circle at this point? Have you even played Final Fantasy?

I would say I provided enough pictorial evidence to show that Van Vogt's coeurls look *nothing* like those in that picture.

As a matter of fact, you provided none.

I've played every Final Fantasy since I, and some of them multiple times. Did you (and you didn't answer. Did you read Van Vogt's novel?)?

[Bowen]

Coeurl is not. A coeurl can be only two things. One fits that image (the Final Fantasy Coeurl), the other doesn't (the Van Vogt Coeurl). Guess what?

Yeah, no.

Coeurl appear as feline enemies in the Final Fantasy series, usually with enlarged tentacle-like whiskers.
The displacer beast in the Dungeons & Dragons role-playing game was inspired by the coeurl—the two have the same idea of tentacles coming from the shoulders, as well as a feline appearance, and the displacer beast uses "vibrations" to confuse its enemies.
The Dirty Pair have a coeurl named Mughi as a sidekick.
Coeurls inhabit Mount Zoaka in the MUD Lusternia.
A combat droid used by the lead character in David Gerrold's novel A Season for Slaughter is similarly catlike and vocalises the word "Coeurl" when it is on standby and awaiting further orders.
The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game was able to secure permission for a single use of Van Vogt's original coeurl in the adventure booklet The End of Eternity.

And where do you think Square got the idea of a Coeurl from anyway?

[Abriael]

And where do you think Square got the idea of a Coeurl from anyway?

Sure, and what does it have to do with this exactly? Muv Luv didn't invent mecha, but if I put in my work a Muv Luv mecha, i'm making an homage to muv luv, not to whoever invented mecha.

As a matter of fact, I read the space beagle quite a lot before anyone of you guys came here all stuffy to show your wikipedia knowledge. Knowing who invented coeurl doesn't prevent me from recognizing that the one depicted looks a lot more like those shown in several final fantasy titles, while it has nothing to do with Van Vogt.

If they wanted to homage Van Vogt, why did they make the tentacles come out of the head and not the shoulders? Why there are no hads or suction cups at the end (which are the most prominent features coeurls have as per Van Vogt's descriptions)? It doesn't make any sense.

[NadienKirisame]

Yeah, no.


And where do you think Square got the idea of a Coeurl from anyway?

Displacer Beasts do not use vibrations... they have a magical displacement ability... not vibrations... It is pretty much just an illusion spell in a way that makes the displacer beast appear to be in one spot while it is really in a different spot...

Also I think most of you a getting a bit ridiculous in this whole argument thing... I don't think it matters where the coeurl came from... The one in the picture from Muv Luv is more in line to what a coeurl in Final Fantasy looks like then a Van Vogt coeurl...

What are you all fighting for again anyways? I mean really... is this some big personal deal or something?

You humans are so silly at times...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[Almalexia]

This anime--being from Japan, created by Japanese people with a Japanese audience in mind--is more likely than not referring to the coeurls of FF than from any other fiction.

This does not mean Square invented coeurls. This does not mean D&D invented coeurls. In fact, it doesn't matter who invented coeurls first. What matters is what is most recognizable to the audience or, you could argue, what the author intended to be recognizable.

In literature/film/theater, this is called allusion.

In anime and video games, it's apparently flamebait.

[Abriael]

This anime--being from Japan, created by Japanese people with a Japanese audience in mind--is more likely than not referring to the coeurls of FF than from any other fiction.

This does not mean Square invented coeurls. This does not mean D&D invented coeurls. In fact, it doesn't matter who invented coeurls first. What matters is what is most recognizable to the audience or, you could argue, what the author intended to be recognizable.

In literature/film/theater, this is called allusion.

In anime and video games, it's apparently flamebait.

Lol, my point exactly.