What XIV can take from XI to make it better

[Gramul]

I can see how one might think that this forum is full of anti-FFXI players, but I don't think that's the case.

Much of the 'FFXI hate' might just be former FFXI players that just don't want certain aspects of the game brought into this one - for one reason or another.

For example, I've posted opposition to bringing back Maat/Sky/Galka Tails/etc. Not because I hated them, but because they belong in FFXI, not this game.

At a cursory glance, people might look at those posts and think "Here's another FFXI hater", but FFXI is the best MMO I've played and I spent 8 years with it.

I'd like to think that most of the posts that seem to hate FFXI are actually just against specific ideas rather than the game itself.

My guess is that the true anti-FFXI people are a very small (yet somewhat vocal) minority.

And the opposite is true for FFXI "fanboys".

A lot of the desire for FFXI stems from players that really loved parts of it and want to see some of those concepts reflected here.

Some people really like the concept of roadblocks to progression, a zone dedicated to endgame activity, or stronger variation in races. Not because they hate how this game is, but because they feel it could embellish this games overall experience.

So it's really nauseating to see posts that just brush it off as 'oh just another FFXI-2 fan. Why don't you go back and play XI you love it so much.' And pretty much ignore the entire point.

It's not like people want this game to just be XI with a higher polycount. And the people that do are few and far between.

[Ruisu]

It's not like people want this game to just be XI with a higher polycount. And the people that do are few and far between.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but I know a bunch of XI players personally that don't want this to become FFXI-2. You can look into earlier posts in this thread and see that people want things from XI that make absolutely no sense being in this game considering they play differently from each other.

[Gramul]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but I know a bunch of XI players personally that don't want this to become FFXI-2. You can look into earlier posts in this thread and see that people want things from XI that make absolutely no sense being in this game considering they play differently from each other.

And some people refuse to play with the notion of certain concepts from XI coming into play, in spite of it having no negative effect on the new system.

[ShivenCasull]

And some people refuse to play with the notion of certain concepts from XI coming into play, in spite of it having no negative effect on the new system.

Ignorance is the issue, and they say you can't fix stupid.

[Gramul]

Ignorance is the issue, and they say you can't fix stupid.

There's no need for that. Really (like most things) it all boils down to a matter of taste.

[ShivenCasull]

There's no need for that. Really (like most things) it all boils down to a matter of taste.

All I meant is some players would throw themselves against an idea simply because they "don't like it" and complain.

Most ideas have merit, not all complaints do. (I wasn't calling anyone out :P)

[Elexia]

And some people refuse to play with the notion of certain concepts from XI coming into play, in spite of it having no negative effect on the new system.

Indeed..or they'll simply say "you want FFXI-2" even if that's not the notion or "you're living in nostalgia", simply because they have personal issues with a poster and refuse to see that a lot of ideas laid forth are usually something lacking in MMOs now. Very few if at all any MMO lately failed to capture a "world" feeling like XI did, probably due to almost everything being an instance that starts once you hit end-game levels..no smooth transition into content.

How many MMOs really felt like a world just by design alone? A lot of MMOs really feel like they're trying to be something they're not just to give the illusion that it's a world you're in, XI never really tried that which is why WoTG, something pretty much everyone asked for at one point, struck such a chord with people because even though the zones were "copy/paste" it still felt like you were in a different time period and a different mood. You can say this played on Nostalgia, but by design they captured the feeling of a war and something more sinister looming very well in it's design.

Whereas in Abyssea, you didn't really feel anything. This is the one thing XI did best, the atmosphere and the sense that you can really feel like these are actual locations and not just filler walkways to your instance like current MMOs.