SE stop doing the "norm"

[Warlock]

That's why a good MMO will have alot of content that can be completed with various group settings.

Some stuff for solo players
Some stuff for small groups
Some stuff for big groups
Some stuff for massive groups.

FFXI had tons of content and you always had something to do even if you were by yourself.

Solo- Craft, Gather, Explore, Map quests, quests, NM hunt
Small groups- Eco-Warrior, Limbus, BCNM, ENM, NM hunt
Large groups- Exp parties, BCNM, ENM, Salvage, Limbus, Assault, NM Hunt....ect.
Massive groups- Dynamis, Campaign, (Whatever the city defense in Zillart was called again) (WOTG region battles) HNM, BCNM, and much more.

Not all the content could be completed solo, nor did the game ever force you to party. But the game did force you do play with certain numbers when the situation required it. Leveling was not a solo task with the exceptions of a few jobs and one job made specificly for solo players it was a party task.

I don't see why one of the largest parts of playing a MMO should be relegated to solo status. Leveling should be your first experience with other players, the time you spend feeling out your jobs capabillities and limitations, the time you meet new people and gather connections for when you do reach the end of the game. But Nooo, leveling is treated as a hassle more than anything in this game, it's a useless tool that serves no purpose other than to waste time.

In FFXI leveling had a massive meaning in the game, FFXIV it means next to nothing to the point that it's useless and confusing why it's even in the game in the first place. If a function of your game serves as nothing but a anoying barrier to get to the "Fun stuff" your doing something wrong.

You realize all you have mentioned here took 10 years to be added?

[Jynx]

You realize all you have mentioned here took 10 years to be added?

Sorry, I could list a large ammount of stuff that was available in the first year of the game if you want. The game still had a large variety of things to do for solo or group players. You would be hard pressed to log on and find yourself with nothing to do even if your friends were not online.

Better than a game that's been out for 2 years and everyone just sits around town waiting for the next raid.

[Xmbei]

Sorry, I could list a large ammount of stuff that was available in the first year of the game if you want. The game still had a large variety of things to do for solo or group players. You would be hard pressed to log on and find yourself with nothing to do even if your friends were not online.

Better than a game that's been out for 2 years and everyone just sits around town waiting for the next raid.

Sorry my fond memories of FFXI, were sitting around in Jueno/Aht Ur all day waiting for a party or shout for a storyline quest, or anything for that matter. I sat for 2 years on FFXI doing exactly that because there is NO solo content. You say there is but half the things you listed is just there in all games I mean come on map exploration is solo play? no, that isn't solo play thats just experience, yes you can do it solo, but I don't consider that solo content in a game, I just consider it asthetic atmosphere to enjoy.

[Jynx]

but I don't consider that solo content in a game.

It's a shame you don't consider it content because it is. Plain and simple being able to explore the open world freely with few restrictions on where you can go asides from your own skill at evading monsters was rewarded with you learning the lay of the land, locations of enemies.

Just because you sat in town and did nothing doesn't mean everyone else did. Beastmaster came out fairly early in the games lifecycle I believe it was released with Rize of the Zillart (When NA players got to touch the game) and Black-mages have always existed. Crafting and gathering always existed as well, quests were always around, as well as map quests that all effected your gameplay experience.

If that's not considered content...I'm not sure what you consider content.

[Firon]

That's why a good MMO will have alot of content that can be completed with various group settings.

Some stuff for solo players
Some stuff for small groups
Some stuff for big groups
Some stuff for massive groups.

FFXI had tons of content and you always had something to do even if you were by yourself.

Solo- Craft, Gather, Explore, Map quests, quests, NM hunt
Small groups- Eco-Warrior, Limbus, BCNM, ENM, NM hunt
Large groups- Exp parties, BCNM, ENM, Salvage, Limbus, Assault, NM Hunt....ect.
Massive groups- Dynamis, Campaign, (Whatever the city defense in Zillart was called again) (WOTG region battles) HNM, BCNM, and much more.

Not all the content could be completed solo, nor did the game ever force you to party. But the game did force you do play with certain numbers when the situation required it. Leveling was not a solo task with the exceptions of a few jobs and one job made specificly for solo players it was a party task.

I don't see why one of the largest parts of playing a MMO should be relegated to solo status. Leveling should be your first experience with other players, the time you spend feeling out your jobs capabillities and limitations, the time you meet new people and gather connections for when you do reach the end of the game. But Nooo, leveling is treated as a hassle more than anything in this game, it's a useless tool that serves no purpose other than to waste time.

In FFXI leveling had a massive meaning in the game, FFXIV it means next to nothing to the point that it's useless and confusing why it's even in the game in the first place. If a function of your game serves as nothing but a anoying barrier to get to the "Fun stuff" your doing something wrong.

IDK what fuking XI you played but you needed a pt for 97% of everything in XI

[Abriael]

Because commenters on massively are a valid statistical pool from which to take actual real-world data on MMORPG players in general.










No. They aren't.

Game over.

I want to like MMOs, but they just don't do it for me, especially when I watch shows like Sword art online, .hack

Yeah. Because being killed for real when you play a MMO is all the rage.

Not to mention the fact that Sword Art Online, as a game, is based on an extremely banal and definitely boring concept.

There are 100 levels of a dungeon. Dungeon -> Boss -> Dungeon -> Boss -> Dungeon -> Boss. Rinse. Repeat. 100 Times. If that's your ideal of a great MMO, boy you're clueless.

The author of the novel may be a decent writer (it's actually not that well written), but he'd be an *horrible* game designer.

[Babydoll]

I functioned just fine in FFXI without PT's. I learned how to do very difficult low man content when it called for it. I also learned how to do stuff on my own that people went in groups with if I had to...because even in FFXI a lot of peoples playing was not up to my standard. Not saying I am THE BESTEST I just get frustrated lol. I loved EXPing in groups though...it was fun

In FFXIV I have only come across a very small handful of people who can play their job. Most people play horribly (wipe after wipe) and leave my boyfriend and I very frustrated. Our other friend Nemo noticed it too. Hardly anyone knows how to play their job. If PUG parties improve after 2.0 then awesome...

At least in FFXI forced grouping SOMEWHAT forced people to learn the basics of their job. Of course there were still lots of bad players but not nearly as many in FFXIV. I really do hope Yoshida's new way of leveling helps people learn their jobs well.

[Soukyuu]

I want to like MMOs, but they just don't do it for me, especially when I watch shows like Sword art online, .hack

something like .hack might be right around the corner if this here takes off, at least the half-virtual part. As for player-skill based MMOs, Blade&Soul seems to fit that bill pretty nicely, too bad it isn't out in the west yet.

ARR's combat, from what we have seen so far, is going to be based around gear once again, not about timing and positioning.

[Abriael]

something like .hack might be right around the corner if this here takes off, at least the half-virtual part. As for player-skill based MMOs, Blade&Soul seems to fit that bill pretty nicely, too bad it isn't out in the west yet.

TERA. And as much as I personally love it, it bombed.

[Babydoll]

ARR's combat, from what we have seen so far, is going to be based around gear once again, not about timing and positioning.

I really hope it is based on skill.....