[Suggestion] Fashion/Vanity Slots.

[Shougun]

But isn't the AF armors iconic of armors that were in the series? So dressing in all felt gear with AF in the vanity slot should be considered Iconic.

WEARing AF gear is iconic. Pretending your felt gear is AF is illogical.

I have a tail but im pretending it is a cape. No.

Unless you are suggesting that we should always be in our AF (like in the other FF).

Like I said that is a different paradigm and many will dislike that but I could live with the "your gear can never change idea". I just will never think of my character as my character anymore.

[Rubyxiii]

Hell give em a toggle whats it hurt, everybody wins at that point. You wont know whether a random person has it toggled or not so they dont have to see something they dont want to see, and you dont have to see what you dont want to see. Win/Win, Im just glad I personally don't have to look at my guy in mismatched gear. TO ME that is immersion breaking. You wouldnt see people going in to battle in mismatched gear, Armor is made in sets and I believe it adds to my immersion if my character flows, so lets all just win. No need to argue past this point...

See, I'm against vanity system and here's a guy for it. I could care less what he sees on his screen and he rightly so could care less what i see on mine. We're both happy with the toggle, can we all be friends now?

[Azurus]

See, I'm against vanity system and here's a guy for it. I could care less what he sees on his screen and he rightly so could care less what i see on mine. We're both happy with the toggle, can we all be friends now?

And here i thought my "lets stop fighting over a nice middle ground solution" post went completely ignored lol

[Shougun]

And here i thought my "lets stop fighting over a nice middle ground solution" post went completely ignored lol

No, I like all of them. This is for a short time a popular idea - then a couple people jumped in and said "no you must see my fashion sense".

[Azurus]

No, I like all of them. This is for a short time a popular idea - then a couple people jumped in and said "no you must see my fashion sense".

I see. Ya i consider them implementing it as a victory in my book, no need to drag the people who were against it through the mud and swing to the polar end of the spectrum with it at those who were against its expense. Im just glad they are doing it at this point considering at first he wasnt going to. I think in debates like these it is more important to find a middle ground then to push a certain side and make the other accept it.

[Shougun]

I see. Ya i consider them implementing it as a victory in my book, no need to drag the people who were against it through the mud and swing to the polar end of the spectrum with it at those who were against its expense. Im just glad they are doing it at this point considering at first he wasnt going to. I think in debates like these it is more important to find a middle ground then to push a certain side and make the other accept it.

I agree. I've been in support of a toggle since I read this thread. While I personally think vanity is weird - my first response to these threads was "no, oh wait look someone suggested a toggle ok Im good!".

Then I found out people want to force the whole system upon me no toggle, switch the poles as you eloquently put. Thus now I just debate with those who say no to the toggle.. :P

[Velhart]

And here i thought my "lets stop fighting over a nice middle ground solution" post went completely ignored lol

The sad thing is, the only people here with an intelligent and middle ground post gets completely ignored. Look how many times my posts in here have been responded to, lol.

Its funny, when WoW came out with vanity, all I heard on forums was "Yay I get to wear my Tier 1 set again!" or "Hurrah I don't have to wear this ugly Tier 12 anymore!". Of course some here and there didn't like it, but it was positive for the most part.

I don't really like the /check argument. Since ilvl and more achievements are coming, more than likely people will be inspecting by these two aspects and you /check regardless, even if they look elite. Also I heard "Don't know if they have enough materia on.", how exactly do you see this without checking anyways? There are plenty of arguments against vanity, but this one is pretty ill thought out.

Next argument was "It ruins my immersion.". So, one guy goofing off in a reindeer suit is going to completely destroy the game for you? If something as simple as that is a deal breaker for you, then you are obviously playing the wrong genre of games. Someone (with or without vanity) is going to do something that will attempt to break your immersion with the game, they are around, and they do whatever they can to get attention in a comedic value. Vanity might not help this, but it isn't causing it either. Don't let a few goof offs ruin a ton of people's desire to actually use the system in a legit manner.

The only true counter argument I have seen so far is that vanity can cause confusion in a competitive area. I talk about PvP in particular. As I said in a previous posts, some people have used the Vanity System at their advantage by making all their toons look the exact same, all wearing Santa suits to throw off players and confuse them. While nothing illegal, it does feel like an unfair advantage. It is reason like this alone that I would welcome a toggle button.

As I also said in my previous post, while I don't care for a toggle button, I am also not against it. If we tell the opposing team that they should not let the Vanity System ruin their game play, then why can't we think the same on the toggle button? It doesn't ruin our gameplay experience either and if someone feels strongly against it, just give it to them. Like Azurus and Ruby said, it is a win-win solution and it is only a problem if you let it be.

As you can see in this topic, that went kind of from an innocent request thread to a blood battle, each side has a fair opposing argument. Unfortunately some of you here (won't list names) are doing a horrible job presenting your argument and really should read back to yourself what you are about to post very carefully.

For the opposing team, SE has listened to fans and decided to put in a vanity system in the future, no sense in crying about it now. You can however (if you feel strongly about it), make your own request thread for the toggle button. We were able to convince them to make vanity, so why can't you convince them to let you toggle it? Don't complain and moan, do something about it.

For the support team, some people have their own opinions on how to approach gear selection. One example is that they like to see progress in a character. They want their high end LS members run around town in their well-earned top notch gear. Some look at the high end gear as a sign of accomplishment and helps represent them and their groups. The people who don't like vanity are not just saying they hate it just to hate it, they know the disadvantages to the system and they know potential harm it could cause (even if it is minimal at most).

Would say more, but typing on iPad is tiring, so.....

tl;dr: Lets all agree to disagree.

[Dhalmel]

I wonder if the vanity slots will really just be client side only.

I think it might be too much stress to the servers if it had to load up two full sets of gear per player.

[indira]

The sad thing is, the only people here with an intelligent and middle ground post gets completely ignored. Look how many times my posts in here have been responded to, lol.

Its funny, when WoW came out with vanity, all I heard on forums was "Yay I get to wear my Tier 1 set again!" or "Hurrah I don't have to wear this ugly Tier 12 anymore!". Of course some here and there didn't like it, but it was positive for the most part.

I don't really like the /check argument. Since ilvl and more achievements are coming, more than likely people will be inspecting by these two aspects and you /check regardless, even if they look elite. Also I heard "Don't know if they have enough materia on.", how exactly do you see this without checking anyways? There are plenty of arguments against vanity, but this one is pretty ill thought out.

Next argument was "It ruins my immersion.". So, one guy goofing off in a reindeer suit is going to completely destroy the game for you? If something as simple as that is a deal breaker for you, then you are obviously playing the wrong genre of games. Someone (with or without vanity) is going to do something that will attempt to break your immersion with the game, they are around, and they do whatever they can to get attention in a comedic value. Vanity might not help this, but it isn't causing it either. Don't let a few goof offs ruin a ton of people's desire to actually use the system in a legit manner.

The only true counter argument I have seen so far is that vanity can cause confusion in a competitive area. I talk about PvP in particular. As I said in a previous posts, some people have used the Vanity System at their advantage by making all their toons look the exact same, all wearing Santa suits to throw off players and confuse them. While nothing illegal, it does feel like an unfair advantage. It is reason like this alone that I would welcome a toggle button.

As I also said in my previous post, while I don't care for a toggle button, I am also not against it. If we tell the opposing team that they should not let the Vanity System ruin their game play, then why can't we think the same on the toggle button? It doesn't ruin our gameplay experience either and if someone feels strongly against it, just give it to them. Like Azurus and Ruby said, it is a win-win solution and it is only a problem if you let it be.

As you can see in this topic, that went kind of from an innocent request thread to a blood battle, each side has a fair opposing argument. Unfortunately some of you here (won't list names) are doing a horrible job presenting your argument and really should read back to yourself what you are about to post very carefully.

For the opposing team, SE has listened to fans and decided to put in a vanity system in the future, no sense in crying about it now. You can however (if you feel strongly about it), make your own request thread for the toggle button. We were able to convince them to make vanity, so why can't you convince them to let you toggle it? Don't complain and moan, do something about it.

For the support team, some people have their own opinions on how to approach gear selection. One example is that they like to see progress in a character. They want their high end LS members run around town in their well-earned top notch gear. Some look at the high end gear as a sign of accomplishment and helps represent them and their groups. The people who don't like vanity are not just saying they hate it just to hate it, they know the disadvantages to the system and they know potential harm it could cause (even if it is minimal at most).

Would say more, but typing on iPad is tiring, so.....

tl;dr: Lets all agree to disagree.

makes sense.

people who dont like it dont have to use it. peoples arguments are the same as saying i hate crafting take it out the game cuz ill never use it, but there are other people who do. people are even crying about the grass in ARR. its amazing.

[Toxsik]

I am sooo glad to see this is coming... but please don't add stupid vanity only gear i like it the way the OP suggest the ability to put a piece in a slot that changes the look and neglects all its stats.