[Suggestion] Fashion/Vanity Slots.

[Velhart]

This was Yoshi's original stated reason to not have a vanity system in place. There are actual practical reasons why the vanity system will interfere with game play, while there are no practical reasons for having it. It's pretty short sighted of people to not realize this even if they are for the vanity system. The toggle option alleviates all issues involved.

This was actually annoying in WoW when I did PvP. There was a group of all gnomes who all wore santa gear and it was simply awful to tell who was what. They all use the same character model and details and all wore the same stuff.

I understand how the system can be abused, but with the right restrictions, it can be a fair system. Something as simple as "Only what your job can wear." and "No seasonal items" would already do wonders.

This is a system I want people to use to not look so mismatched if they don't want to. That is my intent at least. I have very nice looking Heavy Darklight Gauntlets, but my Felt Bracers with melded STR on it are obviously better, but look awful on my character. I would love it if I could use my Heavy Darklight Gloves looks on the Felt Bracers to make my character more pleasing to my eyes. This is how I want people to look at the system.

I have no doubt SE will set the right restrictions for the system. If not, we just do what we do best and complain about it till they make it right.

[Teuciont]

So if you speak out against the majority you get your posts deleted. Good to know.

[Zantetsuken]

The opposition to a toggle reveals what I've long thought is the true motivation is behind many who want a vanity system.

Although many proponents of the system claim to want to have the '"right" to dress how they want', what they REALLY want is a system where other players can't easily judge their power/progression by their gear. A widespread and enforced Vanity system creates a culture in the game where the players can easily hide their insecurities about their gear.

**BTW, I'm saying this as a player who doesn't have a single piece of Darklight, a Relic, or any insecurities either for that matter

Those who want it for fun, or just want to see their own char in w/e gear should have no problem whatsoever with a toggle.

[NoctisUmbra]

Personally I hope the vanity slots are limited by the same constraints the primary slots are as far as level/class/job.

Also, a toggle. Definitely a toggle.

I can understand wanting vanity slots so you can perhaps appear to be in full AF even if you have better gear in slots... but seeing reindeers running around will just be an enormous eyesore.

So the best solution I see is a mix between limiting what one can wear in vanity, and putting in a toggle so a player chooses whether they can see the vanity slots of others or themselves.

[Kallera]

The opposition to a toggle reveals what I've long thought is the true motivation is behind many who want a vanity system.

Although many proponents of the system claim to want to have the '"right" to dress how they want', what they REALLY want is a system where other players can't easily judge their power/progression by their gear. A widespread and enforced Vanity system creates a culture in the game where the players can easily hide their insecurities about their gear. (BTW, I'm saying this as a player who doesn't have a single piece of Darklight, a Relic, or any insecurities either for that matter)

Those who want it for fun, or just want to see their own char in w/e gear should have no problem whatsoever with a toggle.

You can't even do this before the vanity system, as players don't always wear gear that is exactly their level. Do you look at my plate mail to see If I'm a PLD? What If I'm wearing Scale mail, or rainmaker's tunic, or a hempen acton for laughs? the only way to be totally accurate is through check.

and if you are concerned about your own party members, keep in mind that ARR displays the job of the person in your party, which should also be obvious from their main hand weapon.

[Rubyxiii]

It's pretty easy to determine what pieces of gear a person is wearing just by visual inspection (indeed pretty accurately without check verification) if you're familiar with gear models actually Kallera, barring materia of course. Anyway, I'm not sure your statement really matches the one you quoted though.

[Kallera]

the gear yes, you can see it, but the gear itself doesn't determine the level of the person, and other than the main hand, can be different from what the class "Usually" wears.

[Zantetsuken]

Personally I hope the vanity slots are limited by the same constraints the primary slots are as far as level/class/job.

Also, a toggle. Definitely a toggle.

I can understand wanting vanity slots so you can perhaps appear to be in full AF even if you have better gear in slots... but seeing reindeers running around will just be an enormous eyesore.

So the best solution I see is a mix between limiting what one can wear in vanity, and putting in a toggle so a player chooses whether they can see the vanity slots of others or themselves.

Why do you think SE would restrict you from wearing reindeer garb as vanity gear, when you can wear it right now (at any level, as any class/job) without the vanity system?

I am actually against any limits on a vanity system. If people want to dress up like reindeer while really wearing PLD AF, or if someone wants to mix WHM AF pants with Heavy Darksteel Armor, and PLD AF gloves, (while actually wearing full DRG AF) then they should have the "right"

-- just as long as the rest of us can toggle it.

[Shougun]

Why do you think SE would restrict you from wearing reindeer garb as vanity gear, when you can wear it right now (at any level, as any class/job) without the vanity system?

I am against any limits on a vanity system. If people want to dress up like reindeer while really wearing PLD AF, so be it -- just as long as we can toggle it.

. . . have you seen the stats on the reindeer? The reason people dont wear it into combat is

A. it gets damaged and they cant store it till repair lolz
B. it sucks ass

You add vanity system

A and B are gone, there will be more reindeers.

Even I would suggest a limiting factor as people will take screenshots of the ridiculousness of reindeers owning highly geared looking people and then it hits youtube and the outside goes "... people pay for that? pfft" and move on (just like the rest of the world does to WoW now). But there has to be a toggle, so much immersion is lost knowing items are not items and there is nothing solid about them. Hey look a relic weapon doing 2 damage.. -_- someone equipped a weathered gladius.. oh..

[Kallera]

Why do you think SE would restrict you from wearing reindeer garb as vanity gear, when you can wear it right now (at any level, as any class/job) without the vanity system?

I am against any limits on a vanity system. If people want to dress up like reindeer while really wearing PLD AF, so be it -- just as long as we can toggle it.

You know, I could wear reindeer as my normal gear and high lvl coatees/crafting gear as my vanity gear...you know, If I intended to screw with you.