The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

[Poipori]

the gym analogy wouldnt work like that

lets look at how it really works

Both have access to all the equiptment, but the casuals are complaining they arent as in shape or fit, and cant lift as much as hardcores, and think that their 1 hour a week should let them bench 300 like the hardcores can.

No, many of the more casual players are NOT asking for EASY, spoon-feeding content, they just don't want stupid time-wasting content like camping NMs, we don't mind working a very very small steps towards the main goal each time we play, we don't mind getting the best item much much slower(some might not even get it before that best gear becomes obsolete)

What we don't want is content which requires us to waste our precious playing time in camping, doing nothing, WAITING for pop.

[TheVedis]

No, many of the more casual players are NOT asking for EASY, spoon-feeding content, they just don't want stupid time-wasting content like camping NMs, we don't mind working a very very small steps towards the main goal each time we play, we don't mind getting the best item much much slower(some might not even get it before that best gear becomes obsolete)

What we don't want is content which requires us to waste our precious playing time in camping, doing nothing, WAITING for pop.

the beauty of it is....you dont have to

do leve NMs if you dont want to camp a world NM, they gave you that option
and the world NMs spawn quick enough for this to not be as much an issue as in past games now

At this point its not about casual vs hardcore, but about who is WILLING to spend the time to do something

[Poipori]

the beauty of it is....you dont have to

do leve NMs if you dont want to camp a world NM, they gave you that option
and the world NMs spawn quick enough for this to not be as much an issue as in past games now

At this point its not about casual vs hardcore, but about who is WILLING to spend the time to do something

Then why even bother implementing such a boring content?

There are many other ways to implement difficult content, it does not have to be camping HNM.

You should be fighting monster, doing quest in a game. Not staring at the screen, WAITING for 3hrs.

Is "camping" the only way to "hardcore"?

I'm sure even some hardcore players dislike camping, but they "have to" do it, because it gives the best gear.

So why should a game even have such mindless, boring way of doing thing?

[TheVedis]

Then why even bother implementing such a boring content?

There are many other ways to implement difficult content, it does not have to be camping HNM.

You should be fighting monster, doing quest in a game. Not staring at the screen, WAITING for 3hrs.

Is "camping" the only way to "hardcore"?

I'm sure even some hardcore players dislike camping, but they "have to" do it, because it gives the best gear.

So why should a game even have such mindless, boring way of doing thing?

Why? thats easy

BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTED IT.

Thats right, when the NMs were first announced, people were extremely concerned that there would be no world bosses to fight. It was never about spawn rates with them, just their existance in general.

In every game, some people will find certain content extremely boring, guess what, those people can skip that content!
Dont like world NMs, do the quest ones, we have BOTH, thats the beauty of how they added them and will more then likely continue to add them.


Camping isnt about hardcore or not hardcore, the whole thing behind it before was how much time it takes, Alot of the casual vs hardcore debate is about time consumption. If a NM took 3-24 hours to camp....casuals didnt have a chance. Now the timer is what, an hour? tops? and you know exactly what time he spawns in game(they have a specific time they spawn after all) so you can just show up then? Sounds like it catered to the casual crowd to me.(in a good way)

but some other things being asked for can get rediculous

[Poipori]

So basically, the so called "hardcore" players love, and want to waste 3hr staring at the screen, not because they enjoyed it,
it is because that is when they can say to the casual player
"hahaha, sucks to be you! you will never ever ever get these shiny gears,
because you are not willing to waste 3hr staring at the screen and competing with claim bots"

Everyone agrees that hardcore players should get better gear faster,
but there are many other way of implementing contents which can show the dedication of a hardcore player, it does NOT have to be camping HNM.

Many players have realized that camping is really an old and obsolete method, even the devs knows that, hence the change in FFXI.

[northernsky]

No, many of the more casual players are NOT asking for EASY, spoon-feeding content, they just don't want stupid time-wasting content like camping NMs, we don't mind working a very very small steps towards the main goal each time we play, we don't mind getting the best item much much slower(some might not even get it before that best gear becomes obsolete)

What we don't want is content which requires us to waste our precious playing time in camping, doing nothing, WAITING for pop.

This debate has clearly derailed and has become a 'should we make NMs so hard to camp that only hardcore players could get the rewards' debate.

Otherwise it seems that pretty much everyone agrees that any type of player should be rewarded for working on long term goals but that hardcore will reach them faster.