Critical Analysis: Relic Weapon Seal Acquisition

[fusional]

How will SE get people to play their MMO then? Did you not see how easy all new MMOs have been the past quarter of a decade?

how does keeping *something* for players who want a challenge result in NOBODY playing the MMO? that doesn't even make sense. it doesn't even detract from the fact that the vast majority of the content is already specifically geared toward casuals. right now the only real challenges in the entire game are rivenroad hard, ifrit extreme and a couple of the relic faction leves. that's it. the rest is cake and can easily be pugged, and people are pugging the 'hard' stuff, too. i don't get your point.

Really, Relic acquisition, especially Hamlet pre-req needs tuning and people can deny it all they want, it doesn't even take skill to do..it's not even a measure of your skill, just a measure of how much time you're willing to dump into nothing realistically which is all the Hamlet Def portion is.

why does it need tuning? relic isn't designed for everyone, much less for everyone to acquire in a short timeframe. the entire point is to give hardcore players something to work toward in the short-to-mid term, and to give midcore and some extremely dedicated casuals something to work for long term. and considering the entirety of the questline can be repeated in a couple days after you knock out your seals, what's the problem?

as far as hamlet, no, it's not difficult. 60k runs themselves are easy. but you can still test your skill. do 150k damage as blm in hyrstmill. do 135k damage as drg in golden bazaar. yes, it's possible. no, it isn't easy. why do you think people care about doing 170 dps on miser's mistress? because the fight is faceroll easy so we give ourselves oru own little challenges to stay busy with in the meantime.

[Zantetsuken]

You know the hamlet step only has to be done once, right? If you had to re-do it for each relic it would be a limit, but once you do it once you can knock out 7/7 relics in short order (once you've done the quest once you can plow through subsequent relic cycles in 3-4 days each no problem).

True,

I should have said that the seal system was intended as a limit on how many players could obtain relics per server over time.

You're right though, once you have your first, the rest can be obtained in short order.

[Neptune]

You know at first I was surprised by your like.. feelings but not only do I agree with your assessment, well that's how it was designed. It was designed just to reward people who have a lot of time. If you want to talk about skill, that's a whole separate appeal.

[Jynx]

....oh god I think I just lost braincells reading that post. Not cool Yuri...

[YuriSan]

....oh god I think I just lost braincells reading that post. Not cool Yuri...

Relax buddy. take a loda off, put your feet up.

Understand what i mean along with that comic relief.

btw. I keep loosing braincells everytime this idiotic statement

relic isn't designed for everyone

pops in these forums by some fellow...

Trully.

[Raikki]

Relic isn't designed for everyone. I wasn't aware that was a controversial statement. Going with Yoshi's amusement park analogy for a moment: relics are the EXTREME roller coaster. Skirmish is the teacup ride. You can't have an amusement park that JUST has teacup rides or JUST has extreme coasters. It's really not a difficult concept.

[Elexia]

Relic isn't designed for everyone. I wasn't aware that was a controversial statement. Going with Yoshi's amusement park analogy for a moment: relics are the EXTREME roller coaster. Skirmish is the teacup ride. You can't have an amusement park that JUST has teacup rides or JUST has extreme coasters. It's really not a difficult concept.

Funny thing is everyone has the option to ride the 'extreme roller coaster' as all they have to do is get in line or pay for it or etc if they chose to, but in terms of relics, you can get in line for the extreme roller coaster if you want but the line will randomly get longer while you're in it and more drawn out for no reason and you'll have to get into 3 different lines just to get to the roller coaster, meanwhile there's only 1 line that takes you straight to the teacup.

Relics aren't for everyone, but that doesn't change the fact the Hamlet Defense step is unnecessary and a waste of time even unrelated to Relic. They wouldn't be overhauling it if it was how they wanted it to be.

[Raikki]

Relics aren't for everyone, but that doesn't change the fact the Hamlet Defense step is unnecessary and a waste of time even unrelated to Relic. They wouldn't be overhauling it if it was how they wanted it to be.

The Hamlet Defense step itself isn't "unnecessary and a waste of time" any more than making us do caravan, behest, and spiritbond. It's just that the Hamlet Defense itself in the current version is soulsuckingly boring after your 10th run or so. Fix the tedium and it'll be fine.