Bullying on FFXIV

[Yves]

I guess my point is if you've been through or seen real bullying then online "bullying" won't seem like a big deal. Someone saying really mean things to me online isn't going to ruin my game experience or cause me emotional stress. If you've had real emotion stress in your life this is probably wouldn't bother you either..

I mean if someone saying "really mean things" to you is enough to cause emotional stuff how do you deal with other problems in life? Not to be insensitive but the best thing to do is develop a thicker skin. The fact that you're sensitive makes you a target for things like this. People only will only bother you on the internet if they know you'll let it get under your skin. Don't give people that power to ruin your gaming experience. It's just words and emotes. Nothing more.

Yeah, I can get on-board with this, Searious. The only thing that I would say is that - and this is a sad truth - some people allow online games to consume their existence. Their online personae becomes more valuable to them then their actual physical manifestation. In these extreme and rare cases (I wonder how rare they are?) bullying can be detrimental.

At the same time, if someone develops this then there are a whole boatload of other issues that need to be addressed aside from bullying.

[Aethelinda]

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OP post seems randomly just copypasta'd in here D:

Don't know what are you real intentions, if contributing to the OP debate or just create a problem with your post but either way thanks for trying. Actually you are half right but then again a pointless reply. You are not contributing to the main idea of the thread. Some of the things are not "randomly copied paste" but rather taken from an article by a professional psychologist therefore it does not diminishes the point of the OP. The purpose is to help people understand better on how much can affect us. You will noticed that I added the site at the bottom. So what are your opinions about the article's main idea?

[AmyNeudaiz]

I guess my point is if you've been through or seen real bullying then online "bullying" won't seem like a big deal.

My point is simply that they need to start actually having a presence in the game where people who ruin your gaming experience get punished for it. Developing thick skin has nothing to do with the matter. I am only adding to that core point with arguments from emotion that give reason to my suggestion.

Saying "deal with it" or "just turn your game off" or "grow thicker skin" only gets off the main point that SE needs to solve this community issue. My hope is that they have an actual GM service that does something about online harassment.

[Aethelinda]

My point is simply that they need to start actually having a presence in the game where people who ruin your gaming experience get punished for it. Developing thick skin has nothing to do with the matter. I am only adding to that core point with arguments from emotion that give reason to my suggestion.

Saying "deal with it" or "just turn your game off" or "grow thicker skin" only gets off the main point that SE needs to solve this community issue. My hope is that they have an actual GM service that does something about online harassment.

I definitely agree with you. You are my hero too ^^

[Denmo]

My point is simply that they need to start actually having a presence in the game where people who ruin your gaming experience get punished for it. Developing thick skin has nothing to do with the matter. I am only adding to that core point with arguments from emotion that give reason to my suggestion.

Saying "deal with it" or "just turn your game off" or "grow thicker skin" only gets off the main point that SE needs to solve this community issue. My hope is that they have an actual GM service that does something about online harassment.

So, you got me thinking.

I don't think SE need be involved any more than necessary. It'd have to be fair for everyone, something with minimal involvement on SE's part, and something that wouldn't ruin the game for those that weren't jerks in the first place.

The only thing I can think of is a player feedback system. You would rate a player with a point, positive or negative, after playing with them. Good teamwork and behavior is rewarded with likes and bad behavior is given dislikes or negative reports. Or just do "likes" and leave out negative stuff because everyone hates negativity way more than they like positivism. Either way, once enough points are accumulated and people get around, everyone would have a much better idea about the types of players they're playing with, and jerks/bullies/assholes would have to straighten up or face being ostracized by the community.

That would be the only way I could see SE fixing this sort of thing.

Either that or, not do anything, and just let players sort it out for themselves. Thicker skins and/or more restrictive groups. I recall in XI, most jerks were ostracized pretty quickly because they were ruining the EXP flow and the group's enjoyment. You remembered names of bad players. Not so much in XIV 1.0, where level 50 is pretty easy to obtain....

[Searious]

Developing thick skin has nothing to do with the matter.

Yes it does. If you develop a thicker skin these people won't be able to bother you. It will help in other areas of you life as well. If some silly kids in online are enough to cause you emotional stress I can't imagine what kind of effect something more serious might have on you.

Saying "deal with it" or "just turn your game off" or "grow thicker skin" only gets off the main point that SE needs to solve this community issue.

Not sure how it does but I wish you the best of luck. Nothing bad bad can come from growing thicker skin.

[AmyNeudaiz]

It'd have to be fair for everyone

If by "fair" you mean nothing happens to someone who harasses others with no consequence other than some people knowing they are a jerk, then I do not see the justice in that.

I'm not asking for insane bans like Microsoft does on XBL, just warnings and/or temporary jail like they used to do. It's not too much to ask for.

Yes it does. If you develop a thicker skin these people won't be able to bother you. It will help in other areas of you life as well. If some silly kids in online are enough to cause you emotional stress I can't imagine what kind of effect something more serious might have on you.


Not sure how it does but I wish you the best of luck. Nothing bad bad can come from growing thicker skin.

Again with the fallacies. Why do you bring up Real Life in a debate about an MMO? Why ask how I deal other things? I have enough stress in my life without people harassing me and I come to this Video Game made for Entertainment and Fun. Not to "grow thick skin".

At this time I can go off and MPK someone, swear at them till my fingertips are blue, threaten them, spread complete lies about them, get them kicked out of an LS by lying to the LS leader about things they did, cause a complete commotion and cause all sorts of drama and piss off as many people as I want and NOTHING would happen. How do you think this is okay and "fixed" by thick skin?

[Aethelinda]

So, you got me thinking.

It'd have to be fair for everyone, something with minimal involvement on SE's part, and something that wouldn't ruin the game for those that weren't jerks in the first place.

The only thing I can think of is a player feedback system. You would rate a player with a point, positive or negative, after playing with them. Good teamwork and behavior is rewarded with likes and bad behavior is given dislikes or negative reports. Or just do "likes" and leave out negative stuff because everyone hates negativity way more than they like positivism. Either way, once enough points are accumulated and people get around, everyone would have a much better idea about the types of players they're playing with, and jerks/bullies/assholes would have to straighten up or face being ostracized by the community.

That would be the only way I could see SE fixing this sort of thing.

Either that or, not do anything, and just let players sort it out for themselves. Thicker skins and/or more restrictive groups. I recall in XI, most jerks were ostracized pretty quickly because they were ruining the EXP flow and the group's enjoyment. You remembered names of bad players. Not so much in XIV 1.0, where level 50 is pretty easy to obtain....

You got a good idea there but what about people just didn't like how you played or they just didn't like your opinion at some point while running with then? Then they can just be mean and rate you based on their feeling towards you.

For example have you seen the rates of the products at a site? if you checked you can't really based yourself on the reviews because people don't know how to review a product. Their rate are too biased. Some even rate a good product bad just because the shipping and handling was slow O.O. The purpose of rating a product is about the quality and effectiveness not shipping and handling. Anyways these can happen as well with the rating system. Someone might not like you and finds the perfect opportunity to be a jerks and if he got pals on the run then ... yeah. Is def not a bad idea though but it will unavoidable to have bad ratings by some because you were at wrong place and at the wrong time lol

What about if they would actually get involved a little in the rating system. To get this person rated bad you need to send a report and a reason. Then they will check on the date and time that you reported the bad behavior and will add it or not according on what happened. This way we will avoid groupies or ganging up on someone that was not being a jerk to begin with. Lodestone could take care of the rating stats so when you check the player you will know with who are you dealing with. Also positive points or likes can be added and thus improving his bad behavior status bar or something but not necessarily deleting his record as a reminder to behave. I mean if you were jerk once it doesn't mean that you are one. Bad days happens to everyone.

[Denmo]

If by "fair" you mean nothing happens to someone who harasses others with no consequence other than some people knowing they are a jerk, then I do not see the justice in that.

A GM has to investigate - there's no way they can just toss someone in jail just because a player said so. A bad reputation does have an effect on jerks, even though they may not see it right away.

I'm not asking for insane bans like Microsoft does on XBL, just warnings and/or temporary jail like they used to do. It's not too much to ask for.

I agree, but I wouldn't count on it before 2.0.

You got a good idea there but what about people just didn't like how you played or they just didn't like your opinion at some point while running with then? Then they can just be mean and rate you based on their feeling towards you.

Well yeah, that's how it'd work. People would be rating you based on how they felt the rating should mean. Everyone would get bad points, but after 1000 ratings, your character would be mostly accurately portrayed, even if you say, had a bad grouchy night or two. And I think that if you are generally a nice person, earnest, and try hard, people will sense that and rate you with good marks.

This reputation system exists in many other games, and they usually work as intended.

[Ingolf]

I find that the majority of people who get 'harassed' or 'bullied' actually tend to be the instigator. Most of them have blinkers on, however.

There was this guy on a forum I used to be on, and he'd start so much shit with people, but as soon as someone turned around and took the piss out of him he'd start crying to moderators about being bullied or harassed. I still get emails from him trying to start shit with me. The last time I replied to him (I used to get 3 or 4 a day) he said he was contacting the canadian anti bullying agency.

TLDR: The bullied are normally instigating shit.