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  1. #91
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    Preypacer's Avatar
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    Perrina Avolara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelas View Post
    Exactly, people throwing that word exploit around and dont even really understand what it means.. it was an oversight from the development team NOT an exploit
    Indeed.. An awful lot of people seem to think an exploit is anything they don't like. You're doing "x" and I don't like "x". You're exploiting!

    People continued calling PL an exploit even after Yoshi-P stated he had no problem with it.

    If anything, it's a great demonstration of how some people are so determined to cling to their own personal views, that they'll ignore contrary info even from an official source.

    I love how people are now playing it off as saying "Oh, it's an exploit. SE just won't call it one". -eyeroll-
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  2. #92
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    Blade Belisaire
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    You what SE does when they think they found an exploit?

    They do one of these:

    Regarding a Skill Point Gain Issue

    (I know it's super old, but it was the first example that came in my mind and was easy to look it up)

    That's clearly, "We didn't plan for this, we didn't want you to do this, here is your warning, stop it now."

    In XI, a similar thing is pinning a mob so that you can solo it while running around a map and, due to poor pathing and poor AI, they can't get close to you to attack, but with a ranged attack job you can solo the mob from far away without risking damage. But if a GM catches you doing this, they are going to make you stop.

    Those are exploits. Clear-cut cases of "These are oversights that are screwing up the intended gameplay." Furthermore it wasn't the NPC price of Dawn drops and GC equipment that were the 'exploit.' Those have remained static and weren't anything new until yesterday. What changed things was the massive flood of GC seals. Atomos was too easy and the planned rewards were too great. Players were getting seals at a ridiculously high rate, which led to an inflation of seals. It is irrelevant what players choose to spend those seals on. If you got all your weapons, all your armor, all your promotions, what else would you do with these seals before this update came in? Sit on them forever at cap, and prevent yourself from being able to accrue more? I can't imagine anyone complaining about people selling their seals like this prior to this event.

    All the event did was rapidly accelerate the pace at which people got all their other GC stuff taken care of, and then they turned to moving towards converting their seals to gil once they got all their stuff taken care of. I would not be surprised if the price of dawn drops and other GC stuff went back to their original NPC resale price, because prior to this event, that in and of itself was never the issue. It's the waterfall of seals people have been getting.
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  3. #93
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    Seigyoku Cypher
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    Getting too much gil from an event the devs expected players to do isn't an exploit. As someone else said, it's like saying grinding leves before they reduced the gil output from them was an exploit.

    Now, if the crystal turn-in NPC was glitched and gave you the 4 crystal reward amount of seals if you chose the cluster turn-in without having a cluster (therefore trading in nothing for 1,000 seals), and you intentionally chose that option over and over to max your seals out repeatedly, that would be an exploit. Both action and result in this case were unanticipated and undesired by the game devs.
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  4. #94
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    BotenAnna's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenor View Post
    That's cool. If they want to spend days doing that let them. There's far faster ways to make a million. It's all about balance.
    everybody needs a million

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  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Now they need to fix the rest of it.

    This proves what was happening wasn't not intended (thusly an exploit).
    Not exactly, considering they hot fixed the issue once but didn't drop the gil prices til the second time. (Lowered drop rates), means they didn't mind it til it got out of hand and people kept doing it. Thus becoming an exploit, though you would think if it was unintentional at first they would have hot fixed it a hell of a lot sooner considering some people were making 10+ million a day.
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  6. #96
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    Hi Potions of VIT give the best seal to gil ratio now if you were stuck with piles of crystals. BTW, crystals are now worth about 4,800 gil each when traded in for VIT potions > gil. Thank Carbunkle Plushy from Balmung for the math on this.
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    Hi Potions of VIT give the best seal to gil ratio now if you were stuck with piles of crystals. BTW, crystals are now worth about 4,800 gil each when traded in for VIT potions > gil.
    That's still pretty horrible Gil though. Could easily make better cash farming something else. Huge hit compared to the previous $20,800 per Crystal Gil from a Dawn Drop. Probably best to sell to the wards, and let rich people who want manuals buy them. Then go about what you used to.
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  8. #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zezlar View Post
    That's still pretty horrible Gil though. Could easily make better cash farming something else. Huge hit compared to the previous $20,800 per Crystal Gil from a Dawn Drop. Probably best to sell to the wards, and let rich people who want manuals buy them. Then go about what you used to.
    If your stuck with a ton of crystals from the event, what else do you do with them?

    I totally agree, I've moved on. I was just trying to help those that were stuck holding the bag.
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    Last edited by Molly_Millions; 09-22-2012 at 12:13 AM.

  9. #99
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    The new way you should all be making money now, is making materias to sell to these people with WAY too much disposable income. Either way, the majority of this questionably gained gil will poof at the start of 2.0. The smartest people will just hold onto all the gil they can until the level cap is raised again a year from now anyhow.
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  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia View Post
    Not exactly, considering they hot fixed the issue once but didn't drop the gil prices til the second time. (Lowered drop rates), means they didn't mind it til it got out of hand and people kept doing it. Thus becoming an exploit, though you would think if it was unintentional at first they would have hot fixed it a hell of a lot sooner considering some people were making 10+ million a day.

    It may have not originated as an exploit but because everyone focused on it - and because it became the source of the most worthless gil experience - it turned into an exploit. You dont stomp on a items gil price to 1 gil if it was just a little boo boo.

    They did mind it - they thought the first hotfix would have "fixed" it. Obviously it didn't, so they drop kicked the money makers.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 09-22-2012 at 12:50 AM.

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