Dawn Drops = 1 gil

[Wynn]

Exploits don't have to be coding errors. Technically exploits are just using something to maximum efficiency. So its weird we use this word. Anyway - just because its allowed by code doesn't mean its not an exploit.

FF11 - Buy an item for X price resell for a higher price. Totally allowed by game engine code - all fault to the devs for messing up the values. It was an exploit.

That's a silly definition. It's also untrue. That would mean every "hardcore" player in any MMO ever is an exploiter.

[Shougun]

That's a silly definition. It's also untrue. That would mean every "hardcore" player in any MMO ever is an exploiter.

I dont make up the words:

ex·ploit/ikˈsploit/
Verb:
Make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource): "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology".
Noun:
A bold or daring feat: "the most heroic and secretive exploits of the war".


But I agree with you, thats why I said its weird we use the word.

[Wynn]

I dont make up the words:

ex·ploit/ikˈsploit/
Verb:
Make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource): "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology".
Noun:
A bold or daring feat: "the most heroic and secretive exploits of the war".


But I agree with you, thats why I said its weird we use the word.

You're confusing the real world definition of exploit, which has many uses depending on context, and falsely applying that to what is meant when a game developer calls something an exploit. They are not the same definition.

An exploit in game terms is to gain an advantage in resources that was completely unintended by the game developer.

They intended people to make money since they knew it was going to happen (expected it). Therefore it cannot possibly be an exploit.

We can talk about if this was a smart decision or not, if you like. But it is pretty clear there is no exploit here.

[Shougun]

You're confusing the real world definition of exploit, which has many uses depending on context, and falsely applying that to what is meant when a game developer calls something an exploit. They are not the same definition.

An exploit in game terms is to gain an advantage in resources that was completely unintended by the game developer.

They intended people to make money since they knew it was going to happen (expected it). Therefore it cannot possibly be an exploit.

We can talk about if this was a smart decision or not, if you like. But it is pretty clear there is no exploit here.

I was saying the real defintion of the word is funny. You didnt get it so I told you the defintion. I have confused nothing.

Also I've been telling you the same defintion you just told me what game explotation is.

They specifically say they didnt intend for that much gil to come in, by defintion we have an exploit.

[Wynn]

I was saying the real defintion of the word is funny. You didnt get it so I told you the defintion. I have confused nothing.

Also I've been telling you the same defintion you just told me what game explotation is.

They specifically say they didnt intend for that much gil to come in, by defintion we have an exploit.

I truly don't understand your position.

How can it possibly be an exploit if they expected people to make money off of this? They expected it. Yoshi said so himself. They let it happen. They specifically created the situation in which it was possible to do.

How is that, in any universe, an exploit?

I just don't get it, Shougun.

[Shougun]

I truly don't understand your position.

How can it possibly be an exploit if they expected people to make money off of this? They expected it. Yoshi said so himself. They let it happen. They specifically created the situation in which it was possible to do.

How is that, in any universe, an exploit?

I just don't get it, Shougun.

Exploits arent like hacks or something.. They happen because of oversight.

If I set the sell price of an item to 100 and the buy price to 50. (and it was an accident) I just created an exploit, totally allowed by the system.

They said more gil is coming in then expected. They really meant it because they did a hotfix twice, thats how bad it was.

I get you saying they may have expected SOME money to come in. But you cant say they intended that much to come in because they SAID they didnt intend it.

If I intended a system where you make 100 gil but you made 10,000 gil - even though I inteded money I didnt intended that much - its an exploit.

*Also is important that they didnt want it. Sometimes things happen that weren't indented but are a pleasant surprise. Obviously doing a hotfix means it wasn't pleasant.


----- @ Vogue
You cant assume everyone is going to put the money into the gil sink - because it takes time for the normal sinks to work (taxes). Most of it will either be sold by RMT's, traded hands, or horded.

It will effect the market, even if ever so silently.

[Wynn]

Exploits arent like hacks or something.. They happen because of oversight.

If I set the sell price of an item to 100 and the buy price to 50. (and it was an accident) I just created an exploit, totally allowed by the system.

They said more gil is coming in then expected. They really meant it because they did a hotfix twice, thats how bad it was.

I get you saying they may have expected SOME money to come in. But you cant say they intended that much to come in because they SAID they didnt intend it.

If I intended a system where you make 100 gil but you made 10,000 gil - even though I inteded money I didnt intended that much - its an exploit.

The fact that they did a hotfix twice just proves they didn't care about the gil situation for a week. If they cared about people doing it they would have made this change when they took out the extra clusters. It's not like they didn't know it was going on. They did nothing at all to stop the exchange of seals for gil until now and that is only because it was "more than they expected."