All Worlds Emergency Maintenance (Sep. 20)

[Molly_Millions]

nonono, the faction leve exploit was an exploit, because it was taking advantage of a BUG. I reported that one btw. There is no bug to be taken advantage of by trading seals for dawn drops and then vendoring. That is working as intended.

if it wasn't an exploit, then there wouldn't be emergency maint. to fix it today.

just sayin'

and I'm saying that after taking advantage of it myself. I watched prices skyrocket, because I was buying mats with my profits. The fact of the matter is, it was unintended, and I'm glad it's being fixed not only because it f'ed the economy up royally, but because it was difficult to do anything that was actually fun while everyone was spamming atmos for gil.

[Nero]

Exploit when used in an mmo means something else.

Say's who?

- Exploit .
Taking advantage of a glitch or game mechanic to gain an advantage ( Pulled out of a random MMO-Dictionary )

What Reika and I have been trying clarify is the definition of exploit for game devs from a technical (and eula/game mechanics) standpoint.

Your dictionary definition really has little application here as far as that goes. Not saying you can't use the term exploit to describe it, just that it's not really the correct/accurate term.

1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage:
3. To advertise; promote. ( to promote Gil in this case )

This is actually what happend, so why isnt it accurate? I dont want do argue over this, since SE made their move, but im curious.

[Orophin]

When you've bought all the 25k weapons you would need, crafting set, all 3 chocobo barding, x4 lowbie GC outfit, the 6k overcoat set, all of the GC accessories pieces, excess 'cool' looking gear (limsa has some pink pieces!) Relic key item, over 20 stacks of both grade 4/5 dark matter, around 12 stacks of firepots, x6crafting/gathering scrolls (low and high), enough rat tails/ midge baskets to get my fisher from 36 >> 50...

....then currently sitting at 49,972 seals with x2 stacks of crystals left with 402/500k

You managed to accomplish that before Atomos? If so, bravo. As Elexia pointed out (I did so as well earlier) the GC achievement for 500k seals was meant to be a long term thing. Calculate out how many 750 seals caravans (because 1000 seems rare as hell) it'd take to do that.

Dont worry about it too much. just like my once 8 mil gil, my now 16m gil will just sit on my char forever. i dont really buy too much from people, since I also craft and gather everything myself. Its more likely to end up used on vendor materials like coke.

Well you're in the vast minority I believe. There are quite a few people that did this event that don't craft or gather and wouldn't have generated this kind of money before ARR launched.

[Reika]

if it wasn't an exploit, then there wouldn't be emergency maint. to fix it today.

just sayin'

and I'm saying that after taking advantage of it myself.

Back in the day, you could make 12 linen yarn from 2 flax. Now you only make 1 linen yarn from 2 flax. Was it an exploit back in the day that you could make 12 instead of 1? They eventually changed it so can we call every weaver an bad bad exploiter?

Im saying there is a line between what is an exploit, and what is working as intended. It may have been much faster for them to deterimine that it was 'Too much' and change it, but just because they are changing it does not mean it was an exploit. I'm sure everyone will still be able to convert seals to gil with vendorable GC stuff, just not as fast.

[Orophin]

Back in the day, you could make 12 linen yarn from 2 flax. Now you only make 1 linen yarn from 2 flax. Was it an exploit back in the day that you could make 12 instead of 1? They eventually changed it so can we call every weaver an bad bad exploiter?

Im saying there is a line between what is an exploit, and what is working as intended.

To be fair, that was working as intended then. That changed happened when they revamped all the recipes.

[Jennestia]

Im saying there is a line between what is an exploit, and what is working as intended.

You don't hotfix what's working as intended, just sayin'.

[Molly_Millions]

Back in the day, you could make 12 linen yarn from 2 flax. Now you only make 1 linen yarn from 2 flax. Was it an exploit back in the day that you could make 12 instead of 1? They eventually changed it so can we call every weaver an bad bad exploiter?

Im saying there is a line between what is an exploit, and what is working as intended. It may have been much faster for them to deterimine that it was 'Too much' and change it, but just because they are changing it does not mean it was an exploit. I'm sure everyone will still be able to convert seals to gil with vendorable GC stuff, just not as fast.

could you make a million gil/hr making yarn? I don't think so. That was intended, atmos for gil was not. Hence the hotfix.

[darkstarpoet1]

Back in the day, you could make 12 linen yarn from 2 flax. Now you only make 1 linen yarn from 2 flax. Was it an exploit back in the day that you could make 12 instead of 1? They eventually changed it so can we call every weaver an bad bad exploiter?

Im saying there is a line between what is an exploit, and what is working as intended.

yeah and you got 80-200 sp a synth. you get 2k now off the same 1 synth.

that's also not taking into account the fact that yoshi did a complete set of crafting changes including the shard costs, abilities, materials needed, and crafts made.

if it makes you feel better that you used an exploit to make millions then you can consider it an exploit as well.

[Reika]

To be fair, that was working as intended then. That changed happened when they revamped all the recipes.

But then, everyone that made 12 back in the day before they changed it and stockpiled (I did ) pretty much got the one-up on anyone that wants to start making linen yarn now. I still got stacks of this stuff left over. Its the same with this.

[ChiyoKatsui]

You don't hotfix what's working as intended, just sayin'.

Reika isn't saying they intended for people to use atomos as they are, Reika is saying the game mechanics are working as intended as far as trading for seals, and using said seals at your disposal for whatever you wish. whether that be gil, items, or rank ups.