[dev1002] The entire world lacking as a battle environment.

[Boricua]

Maybe they will avoid them because they don't want to sit around with their hands in their pockets for 3 mins. Or maybe they will take them on to try and get their revenge. A harsher death penalty brings nothing to the table

Just to clarify there is nothing harsh about being weakened.

[Xzen]

Just to clarify there is nothing harsh about being weakened.

I suppose if you like to watch TV instead of actually playing the game. I personally do not enjoy standing around for 3 mins not having fun in a game but it tolerable.

[Boricua]

Again when everything is risk vs reward the risk becomes a non factor. You're only choice is to go for the reward or pay for an elaborate chat room because all you would do is stand in the safety of a town and chat.

There's nothing safer about not having anything to loose when currently going into combat, thats the problem. So the only difference between leaving the city in this game is your getting gil thrown at you or your not (crafting/gathering aside).

[Boricua]

I suppose if you like to watch TV instead of actually playing the game. I personally do not enjoy standing around for 3 mins not having fun in a game.

Not exactly, what I'm trying to say is even a childhood 'timeout' (understood to be the least severe of juvenile punishment) lasted longer than FFXIV weakened.

[Xzen]

Not exactly, what I'm trying to say is even a childhood 'timeout' (understood to be the least severe of juvenile punishment) lasted longer than FFXIV weakened.

True but the only time you get a time out when playing a game is for breaking the rules. Here we get punished for simply playing the game and not even for playing it badly. As an example the is a story line quest in the game that forces you to run past mobs that can easily kill you at rank 50. There are 3 possible paths to take and finding the best one was a matter of trial and error and little to do with skill. Even after finding the best path and having some skill at dodging aggro a lot depended on random pathing of mobs as I was running through. Even though the death penalty in the game is light I felt a great sense of accomplishment when I made it through and finished the quest.

[Kazimir]

I suppose if you like to watch TV instead of actually playing the game. I personally do not enjoy standing around for 3 mins not having fun in a game but it tolerable.

Then try not to die. If you do so what it's only 3 minutes. Go get a drink or something while you wait. It's no different than dying in many other games. You die, you have to sit through a screen saying "game over" or something, then you have to go through a menu to reload your saved game. If it's a quick respawn type of game then you likely have to start at a previous checkpoint that makes you go through more of the game.

There's penalties in the video game world for dying. Why should MMO's be any different? Because cry babies like you don't want to wait 3 minutes? Give me a break.

[Xzen]

Then try not to die. If you do so what it's only 3 minutes. Go get a drink or something while you wait. It's no different than dying in many other games. You die, you have to sit through a screen saying "game over" or something, then you have to go through a menu to reload your saved game. If it's a quick respawn type of game then you likely have to start at a previous checkpoint that makes you go through more of the game.

There's penalties in the video game world for dying. Why should MMO's be any different? Because cry babies like you don't want to wait 3 minutes? Give me a break.

And If I already have a drink and don't need to bio or anything else you might come up with? Simply because I place more value on my time than you how does that make me a cry baby. I don't think I have ever been that emotionally attached to any video game or mechanic in a video game to cry over it. In most FF games I've played I often would just come right back from the save point that was right before the boss fight I died on.

[Kazimir]

And If I already have a drink and don't need to bio or anything else you might come up with? Simply because I place more value on my time than you how does that make me a cry baby. I don't think I have ever been that emotionally attached to any video game or mechanic in a video game to cry over it.

Because you're whining over something very minor. A penalty of some sort is needed, especially in an MMO. They are in all video games. If you don't like it, tough. They simply are not going to get rid of death penalties so you're wasting your time complaining about it.

Also, video games are technically a waste of time anyway, and if you play an MMO, something people typically spend many hours a day playing you clearly don't value it that much.

[Xzen]

Because you're whining over something very minor. A penalty of some sort is needed, especially in an MMO. They are in all video games. If you don't like it, tough. They simply are not going to get rid of death penalties so you're wasting your time complaining about it.

Also, video games are technically a waste of time anyway, and if you play an MMO, something people typically spend many hours a day playing you clearly don't value it that much.

Well for me it's fun vs not fun. Losing hours worth of progression and or standing around not playing is not fun. I'm not whining simply defending my stance and thoughts on the subject just as you are doing. I'm not saying they need to chop death penalties all together but they need to limit how much "not fun" their players have to deal with. As it stands now there is already a whole bunch of "not fun" in this game. I don't think they need to add more.

[Kazimir]

Well for me it's fun vs not fun. Losing hours worth of progression and or standing around not playing is not fun. I'm not whining simply defending my stance and thoughts on the subject just as you are doing.

You must play all your games on easy mode.